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| For the record, my initial comments, although perhaps they may seem that way, are in no way whatsoever a personal criticism or attack on Tad - his match previews are always a good, amusing read, and the odd spelling mistake can't and won't detract from that. I was merely making a general comment on the numerous misconceptions on here when it comes to basic spelling and grammar - if that makes me self righteous, then so be it - but as I believe we should all strive to be the best we can be in every aspect of life, I stand by my comments
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"Sorry for being pathetically pedantic, '"
you are. i am a builder mate, i work with my hands. i occasionally make mistakes with spelling and grammar. however i give my time for free to do these previews and if you have a problem don't fkin read them!
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| Giants by 8 vs the Reds and Leeds by 20-30 vs Bulls?? Blinkers!!!!!!!
Giants have a far easier game and will run up a 20+ score.
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| Quote ="LeedsPokerGuru"Giants by 8 vs the Reds and Leeds by 20-30 vs Bulls?? Blinkers!!!!!!!
Giants have a far easier game and will run up a 20+ score.'"
get hammered if i tip leeds and hammered if i don't!!!!!!!
giants have been poor for the last few weeks whereas the reds were robbed at hull, they played very well indeed
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| Quote ="tad rhino"get hammered if i tip leeds and hammered if i don't!!!!!!!
giants have been poor for the last few weeks whereas the reds were robbed at hull, they played very well indeed'"
I noticed no one had caned you for it so I thought I better
I picked Hudds to beat us at his stage but we won by default (a fools win if you like). Bradford although not great are a good deal better team than Salford and will grow an extra leg for Leeds. I just think in balance the smart cabbage is on Hudds put in on a big score rather than leeds.
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| My own personal bugbear is the completely unnecessary apostrophe used by greengrocers and the like - e.g. " Apple's £1 ". Nice preview BTW.
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"Standards of education and attitude are clearly slipping year upon year - ask any teacher and they'll say the same. Also, would the government be pumping a hell of a lot of time and money into a new "one-to-one" tutoring initiative if they weren't massively (and quite rightly so) concerned about the standards of ability in both Maths and English in this country? On average, it's getting to the stage where there are more people who can't spell or do basic mental arithmetic than those who can - if that isn't an indication that, in terms of basic ability, this nation is well and truly on the slide what is?'"
A teachers opinion is not an undeniable fact; the government spending money on things is not indicative of an undeniable fact. It may well be an indication, it may well be true, but it's not an undeniable fact.
If teachers are using indications as fact these days, then it's no wonder standards are falling, but that's hardly the pupils fault.
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino" The number of times for example that I've both heard and read the name "Burrows" is amazing - where the hell do people keep getting the "s" from?'"
Kid near us in Southstand had that on his shirt. Clearly fake numbers too. I had to take a pic.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"you are. i am a builder mate, i work with my hands. i occasionally make mistakes with spelling and grammar. however i give my time for free to do these previews and if you have a problem don't fkin read them!'"
Apologies for any offence caused - as I posted above, none was intended. My opinion was a general one, based on the all round standard of spelling and grammar on here, which is pretty damn poor. If I was writing something which potentially thousands of people might end up reading, I would want to make sure it was as accurate as possible, regardless of my trade (ironic I know given how much nonsense is posted on here, but one can always hope....)
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"Apologies for any offence caused - as I posted above, none was intended. My opinion was a general one, based on the all round standard of spelling and grammar on here, which is pretty damn poor. If I was writing something which potentially thousands of people might end up reading, I would want to make sure it was as accurate as possible, regardless of my trade (ironic I know given how much nonsense is posted on here, but one can always hope....)'"
I think that you will find that the all round standard of spelling and grammar on here is fairly representative of society as a whole. Personally I blame the teachers.
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| Quote ="Lord_Percy"A teachers opinion is not an undeniable fact; the government spending money on things is not indicative of an undeniable fact. It may well be an indication, it may well be true, but it's not an undeniable fact.
If teachers are using indications as fact these days, then it's no wonder standards are falling, but that's hardly the pupils fault.'"
Depending on what that opinion is about, I beg to differ. When discussing the merits of a good education and the ability to spell correctly, teachers are as qualified as anyone, if not more so. When discussing the fact that, year in year out the standards of ability and attitude are getting worse, we are well within our rights to say it's an undeniable fact, because we have to deal with it on a daily basis. Granted, there's every chance poor teachers may be partly responsible for this, however we are not helped by kids following the example of parents who make no attempt to hide the lack of importance they place in correct spelling and grammar. Either way, standards in this country ARE going downhill, and I'm not sure which is worse - the fact that this is happening, or the fact that so few people seem to care.
Anyway, rant over - sorry to anyone I've offended, annoyed, or bored in any way - just a real bug bear of mine which rarely ever sems to get picked up on. Sorry to have disrupted this thread by going off on a tangent.
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| Quote ="Keef Jr"I think that you will find that the all round standard of spelling and grammar on here is fairly representative of society as a whole. Personally I blame the teachers.'"
You're right - and probably on both counts - I do a lot of private tutoring each year because many teachers aren't doing their job correctly, and it's nothing short of a disgrace. Teaching is a 2 part job though, split equally between teachers and parents - sadly there are just as many kids being failed by their parents as there are being failed by teachers.
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"You're right - and probably on both counts - I do a lot of private tutoring each year because many teachers aren't doing their job correctly, and it's nothing short of a disgrace. Teaching is a 2 part job though, split equally between teachers and parents - sadly there are just as many kids being failed by their parents as there are being failed by teachers.'"
But teachers are paid to educate young people (remember, it was teachers who educated the parents of todays kids - so who is to blame that the kids are not being educated at home?)
Frankly teachers should be ashamed of themselves for the uneducated masses that are being turned out from our education system.
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| There does appear to have been a decline in the quality of teachers over the last few years, mainly because a lot of teachers now are incapable of controlling the class and are too busy trying to be friends with and to be liked by their pupils.
However since exam results have consistently gone up each year I'm not entirely sure how a massive decline in pupils abilities can be an "undeniable fact".
[size=25Dont tell me, the exams are easier now! Like balls they are [/size
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| Oldham rhino knows what he's talking about.
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| Quote ="BigRob"There does appear to have been a decline in the quality of teachers over the last few years, mainly because a lot of teachers now are incapable of controlling the class and are too busy trying to be friends with and to be liked by their pupils.
However since exam results have consistently gone up each year I'm not entirely sure how a massive decline in pupils abilities can be an "undeniable fact".
[size=25Dont tell me, the exams are easier now!
Like balls they are
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Exams may not be easier, but the amount of marks you need to get the various grades are gradually getting less and less - it's so that our beloved government can have their yearly front page headline about results getting better and better The decline in the quality of teachers is partly due to many of the good ones packing in after getting sick of being told to f*** off by obnoxious little sh*ts whose parents, rather than supporting schools' disciplinary procedures, come in kicking off every time their little darlings are given the b0ll0ckings they both need and deserve. There are some genuinely crap teachers out there too, but that's not the sole reason for all the problems.
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"Exams may not be easier, but the amount of marks you need to get the various grades are gradually getting less and less - it's so that our beloved government can have their yearly front page headline about results getting better and better
The decline in the quality of teachers is partly due to many of the good ones packing in after getting sick of being told to f*** off by obnoxious little sh*ts whose parents, rather than supporting schools' disciplinary procedures, come in kicking off every time their little darlings are given the b0ll0ckings they both need and deserve. There are some genuinely crap teachers out there too, but that's not the sole reason for all the problems.'"
Absolutely, I wasnt trying to say it was the only cause. As you rightly say the parents are a big issue and in my opinion are the biggest obstacle put in the way of teachers teaching effectively. However I think that individual schools management teams need to grow a pair and tell the parents to sod off.
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| Quote ="BigRob"Absolutely, I wasnt trying to say it was the only cause. As you rightly say the parents are a big issue and in my opinion are the biggest obstacle put in the way of teachers teaching effectively. However I think that individual schools management teams need to grow a pair and tell the parents to sod off.'"
And therein lies the problem. In an ideal world, kids would be booted out of school permanently, and parents would be sent packing if their input was in any way counterproductive. Sadly however, we are now in a world where schools are businesses, bums on seats means money in the pot to buy resources, even if those bums are attached to future prison inmates, and Headteachers are worried about parents going to the papers with "they're failing my son" stories. If only they could bring back corporal punishment......
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"And therein lies the problem. In an ideal world, kids would be booted out of school permanently, and parents would be sent packing if their input was in any way counterproductive. Sadly however, we are now in a world where schools are businesses, bums on seats means money in the pot to buy resources, even if those bums are attached to future prison inmates, and Headteachers are worried about parents going to the papers with "they're failing my son" stories. If only they could bring back corporal punishment......
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peeples grammmar and stuFz messed up innoys you.
but whackin de kids is coolz with u.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't get through to people and teach blame the system.
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| Quote ="LeedsPokerGuru"peeples grammmar and stuFz messed up innoys you.
but whackin de kids is coolz with u.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't get through to people and teach blame the system.'"
Fair comment. I have no qualms regarding my own ability - the results I achieve and the number of ex pupils I am still in touch with on a regular basis bear testimony to that. The system is flawed, but aren't all systems? However, there are some kids who are quite frankly unteachable, and may as well be locked up now to save someone the hassle of having to do it in a few years time, by which time they'll have no doubt seriously hurt someone or caused no end of problems along the way. From time to time does the idea of inflicting serious pain on one or two of these appeal to me? Hell yes! Does that make me a bad teacher or a bad person? No, it makes me human Would I actually ever do it? Probably not - but it's a very nice image sometimes
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"Sorry for being pathetically pedantic, but when referring to something which technically "belongs" to someone - i.e Huddersfield's pack, it's "their" not "there". I've bit my tongue for quite a while on here, but the grammar and spelling at times on here is pretty shocking! Worst offender seems to be statements including "should of" as in "they should of done this" etc - Surely there must be more people out there that know this should read "should have" or "should've" and that "should of" doesn't exist???!!!
Sorry - I'll no doubt get shot down royally for this, but what can I do - I'm a teacher - it's my job to educate
On a serious note though, I always think that poor spelling and grammar undermines the effectiveness of a post.
On a less academic note, whislt I suppose poor spelling and grammar can be tolerated given the country wide state of education over the past decade or so, I can't understand how people who claim to be fans of a team can spell players' names incorrecty! The number of times for example that I've both heard and read the name "Burrows" is amazing - where the hell do people keep getting the "s" from?'"
Should the e in i.e not have a full stop after it? Secondly surely the statement that you talk about is a worst offence. The posters that post the statements are the offenders.
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| Quote ="LeedsPokerGuru"I noticed no one had caned you for it so I thought I better
I picked Hudds to beat us at his stage but we won by default (a fools win if you like). Bradford although not great are a good deal better team than Salford and will grow an extra leg for Leeds. I just think in balance the smart cabbage is on Hudds put in on a big score rather than leeds.'"
10 - 34 Huddersfield
Leeds 33 - 20 Bradford
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"Sorry for being pathetically pedantic, but when referring to something which technically "belongs" to someone - i.e Huddersfield's pack, it's "their" not "there". I've bit my tongue for quite a while on here, but the grammar and spelling at times on here is pretty shocking! Worst offender seems to be statements including "should of" as in "they should of done this" etc - Surely there must be more people out there that know this should read "should have" or "should've" and that "should of" doesn't exist???!!!
Sorry - I'll no doubt get shot down royally for this, but what can I do - I'm a teacher - it's my job to educate
On a serious note though, I always think that poor spelling and grammar undermines the effectiveness of a post.
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You know I was thinking of training to become a teacher but I am worried that if I do i'll turn into to$$er like this! However, it does seem like you have a lot of time on your hands!
Just remember "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach!"
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| i am away soon and we will have 2 'guest' previewers.
be gentle with them
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