:qwzj2fbzHow conescending. For a man wit hsuch questionable observational powers you seem very confident in your opinion. Good for you.

Before anyone goes crazy here, I'd have preferred Leeds to sign a right centre rather than an ageing world class hooker and (failing that) I'd have preferred Leeds to sign a right centre rather than an interchange prop.

You see it all comes down to improving the squad in areas that you know are weak. And not just because we know it but because the whole game knows it.

I presume Leeds tried to find a centre in the off season and failed and so we go with what we've got. A virtually untried in the position Lee Smith was given the shirt, Ashley Gibson had injuries to overcome and in Kallum Watkins we have a genuine prospect but at 17 can't be expected to do the job week in week out at this level.

Senior's unavailability for half the games so far this season just adds to the existing problem.

Gareth, Gareth, Gareth. That is a bit rich seriously coming from you. You been the most condescending arrogant person on these boards.

You get so tied up in arguments and defensive you fail to see that the argument you were making I actually agree with you on.

Ablett did indeed play a part from centre to get us to a final. I never doubted that. I doubted that "we won a GF with Ablett at centre". We started with Ablett at centre, I dont dispute that. But for the first 15 minutes of that game we were over run. That is not opinion its clear and fecking simply to anyone watching. A change was made with Ellis switching to centre, and from there the game changed. Thats not been opinionated or condescending, its a fact of the way the game went.

Like I further stated, would we have won without the change? who cares, we won and thats all that matter. I further stated that should Ablett need to go to centre again, who cares, because the quality of the oppossition this year in that position is hardly going to be too big a problem.

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maybe Adam Mcdougall for a year,


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im suggesting resting senior for some games, which will mean there is space for a player like watkins to get games,

The main advantage we have over most of our rivals is that our young players are, overall, better than theirs, plus we have more that are close to the required standard. Signing an experienced right centre might lead to success in a few more games than might otherwise happen - although who knows - but personally I'm more interested in seeing what we can achieve by sticking with what we've got.

Agreed, we did. Ablett was getting torn to shreds and bluey saw it as did 99% of the fans at the game, he changed it and put Ellis there, which worked. Saints saw a weakness and expoilted it. Luckily we had Ellis to shore up the defence on that side - this season we're not so lucky as Manly showed (albeit was Watkins getting torn to shreds).

Thank you. I know that was the case. Anybody could see it. But someone who must have been a spoilt little brat as a youth, continually getting his knickers in a twist, cant accept it because it is a different view to him.

I love it when people get their knickers in a twist and start whinging about not being allowed an opinion.

Its a board where its ok to challenge peoples opinions. I hope thats ok for some of the more sensitive souls.

He actually put senior there and ellis went over to left centre a plan which was made before the game to give ablett time in the pack and take a bit of workload off ellis.
Bluey said it himself in his post match interview and i still have the league express/weekly with the interviews in

I thought incidences of personal abuse were automatic bans these days?

See ya DISA.

I agree. But insulting someone for pointing out the obvious in their flawed argument, is ridiculous.

Challenging peoples opinions is all fine.

I dont think DISA was paying enough attention despite castigating others for it





Gareths point stands. Throughout the season, a season which we reached and won the GF, Ablett played centre a lot of the time. I'd say its a reasonable statement to make that Leeds won a GF with Ablett in the centre.

You were insulted by him calling you condescending?

Jesus. We stoop to a new level of sensitivity.

I see usual butt licking.

Thank you for confirming what the majority of people in the ground new. That Ablett was moved from Centre to second row, which changed the flow of the game. A move made by the coach, as it should be.

Oh diddums. Had your opinion questioned have we?

This is me laughing at you, you poor sensitive fool

Why dont you just admit you weren't paying enough attention despite having a go at others for apparently not doing the same?

To be honest you are a little bit of a non entity for me to be getting into arguments with. But if you want to tell me what I wasn't paying attention at, I dont mind replying.

How about the 2007 GF, we were also over run for the first quarter of that game.

Ah yes correct, apologies. Did Ellis not fill the centre position at some point though for Ablett in the GF ? I'm certain he did. Anyway the point disa makes is correct.

Not down one particular side though. Our right centre position was like a gate blowing in the wind in the 08 gf luckily we were able to fix it.

From what I remember of the 08 GF, in the first half we were getting broken down the middle not out wide, and weren't Saints tries in the second half down our left hand defence?

You could say it changed the flow of the game, maybe it did, or maybe something else did. Its hard to tell without looking at the DVD a number of times to see what other events happened.

Maybe Lauiti'iti coming on, or Scruton coming on, or Cunningham going off or any number of other situations on the pitch could have turned it around.

Also, who is to say that it was Ablett being removed from the centres that changed the game, rather than Ellis being moved from second row?

ok, I am being fecicious but this game is not black and white. the truth is that it was a tactic that had been used for most5 of the season to swap ellis and ablett around. You could say that JJB wasn't good enough becuase when Ali replaced him in the 2007 GF it changed the game

As I said earlier, who gives a poop? we won it does not matter.

All I said he was removed from the centre position because we were getting over run and replaced with Ellis in there, and the game changed. That was in oppossition to the statement that we won a GF with Ablett at centre.

However, once again I do dissagree wtih your last point about most of the season swapping Ellis and Ablett around.

Who played centre agains Wigan the week before the GF, who played against Sains in Play off, who played against Wakey before that? who played Wigan away before that? who played against the bulls before that?

The games before that Toopi played centre, been back from injury. He was rushed back because before that Ellis was used at Centre and to be honest that turned into quite a nightmare.

The fact is that Ablett had the centre position his own position starting the GF and the previous 5 games before that. Yet Inside 15 minutes of the GF where we were slightly over run this is changed.

I can't back it up, but I recall from the games I watched that ellis and ablett regularly swapped positions mid-game. In temrs of facts to back that up, I doubt you'll find any that prove it either way.

Also what do you define slightly over-run as? Is it that Ablett was slightly over-run? or the team was? If it was the team then I would say that no one player is particularly at fault. Of course the coach knowing best saw this and changed things about. Ellis & Ablett may have swapped at that time. Ali may well have come off the bench and added so go forward, solid defence or unpredictability.

Also, was it Ablett moving from centre of ellis moving from the pack which improved us? If we were getting overrun then a change in the pack is more likely to change the flow of the game at that stage