Completely agree. However, we don't look like winning a game. Instead of doing the clever, skillfull little things that win games we are doing the little dumb things that lose a game. I don't believe the guys were not trying but it's almost without any plan or team cohesion, particularly with the ball.

I agree, and would add still ragged and disorganised as a unit in defence, we just look like a team hanging on and can't get any domination in contact or the ruck whatsoever.

The most depressing part of last nights defeat, was the fact the Wigan side was the poorest Wigan team I have seen in recent years.

Keinhorst was the only one who showed some effort last night.
And if we are pinning our hopes on McGuire we are in trouble.
Saying that leaving him without a halfback partner for most of the game didn't help.

Think they played with more determination last night,but we're just too lightweight in every area,McDermott should be coaching them to go back to basics,still throwing ball about like we're top of the league,far too many simple errors,agree it was a poor Wigan side that beat us,it's obvious baldwinson is out of Leeds.this season is over,prob end up season bottom of the league which is a fair reflection on how we've played.just use the middle eights to get back to winning ways,it isn't going to be easy and now let's see what GH is made of in response to this season.squad clear out is a must.needs a big response for next season.

That's the most pertinent thing for me.."we don't look like winning a game" !!! Effort and game planning are divergent.....where is any sign of coaching or team talk influence at half time? ?

At least the players don't look worried as demonstrated by their laughing and joking at the end of the match. McGuire and Smith looked like they had celebrated a cracking joke together about the stupidity of paying spectators

Remember folks last night was a rematch of last season's best, arguably the two biggest clubs in SL.

Agreed.
Thank goodness for Cas.

Overall I would agree with this but if you are picking out players who looked well out of depth then you should have started with Handley and Hardaker who is shirking his duties at fullback.. Golding and Mullally at least have the excuse of still being novices.

The fact that despite the weakness of the team (9 first teamers out) meaning only one halfback and the lack of confidence they never gave up even when down to 12 men. I would say this is a sign that the coaches are influencing the players. It was player errors just after half time that took the game away.




Give over. It is still only sport not war.

Is Mullally really a novice? over 50 SL appearances for Widnes and and Huddersfield since 2009 not to mention his stint at the Bulls in the middle 8's last year.

Perhaps not but I think he has been a bench man with limited minutes.

Laughing and joking after yet another dire performance is not showing contempt to the paying spectators? At least pretend to care.

So how many games would [uyou[/u suscribe to before saying there might just be a bit of a problem? And your solution(s)? A bit Neville Chambelain-ish maybe? (You're the one that made the war analogy

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Watching Saints, and again they are as bad if not worse than us at times.To say they could be joint top with a win today (not going to happen on current evidence) is a real head scratcher.Its a funny old game

Wilkin just made the worst defensive read I think I've seen. Looks totally uninterested.

Wilkin should just retire and become a pundit full time, he is actually pretty good at it.

Agreed. Please, please, please have him replace Barry, Terry and Phil Clarke at Sky. O'Connor in particular is just a noise, nothing even remotely worth listening to.

What a sad world you must live in if you think a smile and a laugh is showing "contempt to the paying public" What are you calling for ...sack cloth and ashes or the walk of atonement?

I have never said we do not have a problem. I just don't agree with your solution or your non stop 'fifth column' postings

So what is your answer? Yet more time? More appeasment (and hope things will get better) of a bad situation?

That it is strange paradox - coach is influencing players positively who then make errors!!

Of that team last night 9 would drop out to accommodate those injured - really?

8 I reckon. And it wasn't just the errors at the beginning of the 2nd half that took it away from Leeds, both teams were pretty ordinary in the first half (hence the close looking scoreline) then Wigan moved up to 3rd gear to pull away comfortably.

If we score off an excellent attacking kick it's down to the skill of our kicker and a great kick chase or planned play (top coaching obviously). When the opposition do the same thing it's because the nearest Leeds player made a "mistake". Two great high bombs on the back of aggressive go forward, dropping on an isolated winger under heavy challenge. Very good attacking rugby league. If executed well, extremely difficult to defend, especially against a guy like Manfredi.

Anyone who watched the way the forwards of our fellow cellar dwellers Huddersfield run onto the ball, angles, lines, timing etc. And then watched them routinely pick the correct side to attack wide when Saints were not numbering up has to realise how far away we are.
The boys tried but they all look lost.

Your attempts to continually polish an increasingly smelly turd duly noted. Never gave up? Half the team never started. Honourable exceptions Galloway & Keinhorst.

The influence was there, leading Leeds to the heaviest defeat of the Magic event against one of the poorest Wigan teams ever assembled. Having seen all twelve SL teams play this weekend several clubs may end the season switching between the eight and bottom four, Leeds don't look like being one of them.

Lookin forward to the regular Hunslet derbies