Last night i lost count how many times Lui or Myler called a move only fir Dwyer to fall over run up his own arris or get caught running aimlessly in circles.
I like him but we need to get a brain cell for him from somewhere.

Why mention last night? Its every single week. The bizarre thing about it is everytime he disappears up his own backside by running around in a circle everybody around me claps and says how good it was. The hooking position at Leeds has been a farce now for far too long. Different 9s every year and none of them any bloody good.

I said the same thing about running around and people clapping. They have no idea. To be fair it was also the same with Burrow. But the number of times in their 20 last night, when we were well on top, that he either put out a terrible pass, or ran the wrong way everyone was expecting, was simply inexcusable. There was one point where we had five players including Lui to his right, against two Salford players, and he took it left. The score 14-12 at that point. He is nothing more than a back up impact player, and doing that means him blocking Johnson.

Agree about Dwyer. last night Salford defended well and once a team is disciplined enough not to fall for Dwyer throwing a dummy (not hard for full time SL pros), he ends up running in ever decreasing circles or sideways.
Also agree about Hurrell , he makes far too many basic errors to be a marque player. Last week charging out of the line and missing man and ball from a long , floating pass. This week, 2 knock-on's , the one before half time meant we lost momentum and they got a penalty to go in 14-6. The second half his penalty on sio, resulted in us defending for 10 mins and they got winning try.

Great to see ward back looking good and thought cuthbo was a big miss on attack.

I've no idea if we are in for gale but if true surely we should being going after the 20 year old trueman rather than a 31 year old coming back from 2 terrible injuries.
As for Connor, think he is class but not right for us. He needs to go into a very strong dressing room, where some can try to sort him out. Having said that not sure anyone can change his mindset other than himself.

He falls over all the time. Nothing more than an impact 9

I always will remember the difference Segeyaro made to us with his organisation skills and really good kicking game. Totally transformed us. The whole team seemed to lift off his great plays.

If Lunt can manage a good pre-season I would go with him for 80 mins,we look much better with him on the field. Not a fan of Dwyer at all.

I believe Dwyer wont play next week and Corey will make his debut. Terrific young talent.

I'm sure he will be slated on here from 10pm on Friday because hes not Benny Elias or Buderus at 19 year old on debut but he fully deserves his call up and has totally earned his chance.

You heard a whisper marty or just what your thinking?

I hope your right but I think he'll go with experience players across the board.

That’s a big call packing down against the Wire front row.

I’d like to see Corey in the first team sooner rather than later.

Though he may day around a bit though dwyer at least brought some energy on. Lunt was incredibly slow and imo offered very little in attack. Deffo need to sign a good 9

People are putting far too much hope and expectations on too many young players who have not even played in super league yet and some who have not even played open age. This current crop may be the best in a long time, but look back at the golden generation side, lots did not make it and some looked very good and never stepped up to super league level. If 3-4 of this current crop are playing in the first team regular in 2-3 years we will have done well, it's a massive step up and has history as proven looking a world beater in the Academy does not automatically mean they will be good enough, the fact a fairly average academy prospect in 1999 is retiring On Friday prove that, whilst better players around him have come and gone proves that.
The amount of times I have heard this player and that are definitely gong on to be the next big thing for them to flop at open age.

Agree. Don't mind Dwyer from the bench but while Lunt plays a starting hooker's game, he doesn't do it especially well.

I do agree with you, but I've watched a lot of academy over the years, including Sinfield, Smight, McGuire, Bailey, Diskin etc. and my view is that this crop is up there - certainly if you include our Scholarship too.

You're dead right that not all will make it, and some will that we don't expect (O'Connor, Delaney, McConnell could be dark horses for an example).

Tom Holroyd has hardly played this year due to chronic foot injuries and now Broadbent has a smashed jaw - injuries also take their toll even on young lads. It took JJB years to get over his groin problems, and the club only stayed with him because he had such an exceptional attitude (proven right in the end).

There is a wider debate around some prominent youngsters we're failing to attract (Trueman, Smithies spring to mind). But that's an easy game isn't it? You don't have foresight when the lads are 15.

In addition to Walker, Handley, Newman, Oledzki I'd expect to see some of Johnson, Stephens, Broadbent, Holroyd, Dupree, Trout, Walters, McLelland next year. They might not all make it but some will, and they're all worthy of a chance.

The Reserves comp has come at the right time for our squad IMO.

The problem is we have good youngsters who never improve to the level that they should unlike Wigan

Wigan and Saints have had us for youth development for some time.

There is a bit of magic as well as science to it though: real talent comes in waves I think, it's unpredictable on a group as well is individual basis.

Is that because Wigan give their kids an opportunity though? The only way kids reach SL level is by playing SL. You cannot become a SL player by not playing it.

The moment you don't play a youngster because they arent ready is the moment they will never be ready. Not 1 single golden generation player was ready when they was given a chance, not one. I think Corey will play Friday but hes not ready. How can he be? Hes never played at that level but the kid has talent and ability all he is lacking is the opportunity and patience.

We simply haven't given lads enough chances in recent years.

In 2016 we had a nightmare year which meant in 2017 we joined the cup a round early and played Donny, Walker and Mikolaj played and did well and their careers went on from there. Had we had a good season in 2016 those 2 would probably never have had that chance. That cant be right can it?

Weve some terrific talent at the club, not all can make it, not all can fulfill their potential but that shouldnt be down to a lack of opportunities.

Wigan seem to install a toughness and fire in there youngsters that we dont quite so much imo, not sure if they look for that when bringing the lads into there system or they ingrain it when they get there.

Owen Trouts been pretty dissapointing at Dewsbury imo, played out of position a lot but even when at second row, he's looked content to let games pass him by, very little involvment.

Been very impressed with McCllelland at Fev, seen all his games except yday and thought he's been good everytime, forced 4 repeat sets with last tackle kicks last week, lucky if mylers forced 4 all season. Edit...Forgot about Alex Sutcliffe, he's been going very well too at left , i wasnt as high on him as some but he's certainly changing my opinion on him

At Newcastle Muizz has been Muizz, spectacular trys, loads of agression, attitude spot on...Wrecking ball

Broadbents showed some real class at batley, scored and created some quality trys, couple of average/poor games aswel, dosnt get much ball, batley have been awful.

Very good bunch overall, just from Academy qualified players from this year, id expect at least 5 or 6 to be first team Leeds players in future.

Add the couple of very good scholarship groups just behind that, we'r in good health moving forward.

If Corey needs this chance then play him this week. But give the lad a chance, at least play him in the best pack of forwards we can put out, and not what played on Friday.
Wigan and Saints do well with their kids because they give them all the help they need. If they give a young forward a debut they play him in an experienced pack, not a pack that is beaten before they play.
We need to be smart when giving these young players their debut.

Hats off to your commitment to youth rugby by the way Marty. The question for me is about getting the balance in the side right. Too many youngsters in at the same time, you risk getting physically dominated and throwing games. Very, very few 18 year olds can handle mature SL players physically.

With Walker, Newman and Oldedzki all learning, people forget how young they still are. I don’t think we’d want too many more Academy products in the same side as them but we do need to bring 2-3 more through next year somehow.

This is kind of what I’ve been talking about: there is no way this Leeds squad will be at peak next year with the reliance we have on home-grown talent. When these lads are playing toward their full potential in a few years, hopefully different story but this is certainly not a situation with a quick fix.

Going to be fascinating to see which lads step up in pre-season and the friendlies - the opportunity is there for them.

You say we have not given lads a chance over last few years, well that simply is not true, Walker is 19 and first choice Newman the same, oledski 20 Cameron smith 20 all regulars this year. We cannot just throw another 4-5 more teenagers in and say have a go. They need to be brought through more steady. Couple more at a time. Some have been sent out on loan to play open age and they will be ready for 4-6 games next year and one or two may force their way into starting spots,

We give people a chance but they have to earn it and show they are up to it, what none of us see is these lads training and playing in opposed training sessions with the first team, the coachs know who is ready or not not us.

An accusation a fair few Wigan fans used to throw at Wane as although they could see the players develop, there was a feeling that a club of that size should have challenged more than they were doing at various points of his tenure. Mind, they did have to put up with players then being sold just as they were attaining a decent standard.

I agree someone should be asking why !!!

Just wondering as this is a slight thread drift re: youngsters my boy who plays for Folly Lane Under 8's had an away game at Pilkingtons St. Helens today and as we were leaving the Leeds Rhinos team coach was pulling up there anyone know why ? do they use the coach for your youngsters