Not at all, it is quite clear what your agenda is, there are many of you about. Militants with heads in books and don't live in the real world around you. Some call them loonies, I just feel sorry for you.

Your real world being where the rfl are pushing a gay agenda by giving James child the game on Friday of course.

All through this thread, as more and more comes out showing your loonie tendancy's, you keep rewriting what is put. I have noticed it mainly with Printers posts, but here you are again.

The issue that has been spoken about many times on this thread is about not dealing with incompetence, and the possible reasons for that, yet dealing with it with others. Not about giving something because of someones sexuality, but about not dealing with a problem because of their sexuality and the response it would get from people like you. This is the major difference you seem incapable of understanding due to continually accusing and ranting, instead of seeing what is in front of you.

Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary Definition of positive discrimination in English:
noun

[MASS NOUN British
(In the context of the allocation of resources or employment) [size=200the practice or policy of favouring individuals belonging to groups which suffer discrimination.[/size

You might mean well and want the world to be a better fairer place, but you can't change the meaning of words to suit your argument and you shouldn't bandy words like bigot around just because people don't agree with your particular view of situations. The major intolerance shown on this thread has come from you!

Where is the favour? In any of the examples discussed where was a minority being favoured? That of course being an integral part of positive discrimination

The removal or mitigation of structural bias is not positive discrimination

And yes I am proudly intolerant of bigotry and homophobia and when people, as certain ones have here, indulge in homophobia and bigotry they will be called out on it.

That's it? I bet everyone is so proud of you, you are such a special little person. Just a shame you can't put as much effort into defending the problems you believe exist in this world, rather than the effort you put into ranting unwarranted accusations.

At no point on this thread have you defended the person talked about, but have instead continued to make things up and make wild accusations. People wanting away with prejudice who work hard for the cause, could do without the likes of you proclaiming to be in their camp.

You are prejudiced. You have made an unevidenced homophobic accusation for no other reason than to denigrate and demean a gay person. That is what you have been called out on. That is where you have shown bigotry and homophobia. There is no walking back from what you said and the position you took which was that James child had only achieved what he has as a referee because he is gay. That isn't true. Has no basis in evidenced and is simply an opportunity to use his sexuality to denigrate his success. That is the issue.

The most ridiculous thing wrote on this thread. Positive discrimination isn't a real issue apparently. What an idiot you are. One thing to not think it's happened in the case of Child but to not think it doesn't happen out in the real world away from your land of make believe is absolutely nonsense.



Ahhh nice try to make it look like I'm bitter for some sort of personal reason. Shame for you that no case of positive discrimination effects me personally. That you think someone can only highlight the issue must be because of some personal reason only shows your foolishness. Would be like me saying you're only defending Child because you are gay also.

And yet anybody who reads this thread can go back on it and see what has been said, and call you out for the liar that you are. Nothing more than a raving looney who makes things up to suit his potty agenda. As I said, the likes of you do more harm than good for the hard working people out there who try so hard to eliminate prejudices.

I should highlight the areas of your wild make believe statements, but anybody can see them over the last few pages. I feel sorry for James Child, that his only defence to his incompetence is some keyboard warrior shouting "stop, homophobia". I am sure he is so pleased that you believe he should be in the role because he is gay, rather than whether he is up to the job.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise he had to take out a four-page spread in League Weekly announcing it. It is well known despite him not running to a news desk to make it something you can link to on the Internet.

Homophobia and bigotry don't just effect gay people. Like racism it demeans us all and like racism it is up to us all to oppose it.

Like when people with no evidence try to demean and denigrate a person by claiming their success is only because of their sexuality.

I believe his sexuality has f'ck all to do with his job. The only people who brought up his sexuality were two bigots who used it to demean him and his success

So let's get this straight, you think the rfl promote James Child to high profile games to push some equality agenda. They then never tell anyone about this at all and don't make that information publicly available. Seems a likely scenario.

Is this person for real? In guessing it's someone trolling.,,

All people have questioned is whether the RFL have avoided dealing with the incompetence of Child due to a worry about how that could be perceived (mainly by idiots from the PC brigade like this Smokey chap)..... Call it homophobia/racist/discriminatory if it makes you feel better, but there is definitely a PR gain by having a 'diverse' workforce, and also a defence against any potential workplace tribunals - having a diverse workforce can be used as evidence you are not a racist/homophobic company should a disgruntled ex-employee pull the race/homophobic card in a tribunal - I'm sure you'll try say this doesn't happen (and in your make believe PC correct world maybe it doesn't) but in my world it most definitely does, having had to previously give evidence on a sham 'racism' claim.... Whether it plays any part in how the RFL deal with Child is another question, but having a gay referee is definitely a positive look for the RFL (though I 100% believe it doesn't even need to be - just like Keegan Hirst 'coming out' shouldn't have been a news worthy story) - in real life, most people don't give a toss about a persons sexuality, however idiots like Smokey (and those who make false claims of discrimination) have made it so organisations feel compelled to have 'one of each' to counter balance any accusations.

With the generally accepted consistent poor performances of Child, why shouldn't someone be able to ask the question as to why he's not been brought to task, and why he does still get a number of the showpiece games?

Your the only one linking his job to his sexuality. The questions asked have been is the failure to deal with his incompetence as a possible result of his sexuality. But you keep moving arguments to your looney agenda. Like I said, you do more harm than good for prejudices around the world. There is nobody on this thread more of a bigot than you.

100% agreed! This type of PC hysteria is what helps breed a culture of discrimination.

Spot on post, particularly the bottom part. People often accuse the RFL of "jobs for boys" saying their performance doesn't merit their position and no one bats an eyelid at this accusation. I question if one referee is benefitting from positive discrimination and the first few posts had people saying they were "uncomfortable" talking about it and the Defender of the Homosexuals Smokey TA screaming BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT at me.

He shown exactly why it could happen, because people like him try and treat minority groups with kid gloves on in the mistaken belief that is treating them equally. If they're are to be treated equally then someone should be as free to question their employment as freely as they'd question the employment of say a Middle Aged white heterosexual male......however you can't, you can't because people like Smokey say it's homophobic to do so.

Why do you keep going on them "promoting it". I never said they do and they don't have to for it to happen. In some of the examples given by others when a black or Muslim or female candidate has been picked ahead of another because they wanted that person for the skin colour/religion/gender they don't go out and get a 2 page spread in the The Sun saying "WE'VE HIRED A BLACK MAN!!!"

Hell even with the best intentions people can treat miniority groups differently sub-consciously, such as your treating them with kid gloves in the mistaken belief you're treating them equally.

Not at all

No. Nobody simply asked a question. Two people made the bigoted statement that he only got the games because of sexuality.

Where is this pr gain? Show me. Show me one time either the rfl or James child have publicly discussed his sexuality so they can gain PR.

Having a homosexual in the workforce in no way protects you from accusations of treating people in a homophobic way. It's no defence to go to tribunal and say oh it's ok we employ gays. If your HR department are telling you that it does. They are terrible at their job.

But why do they want a gay man refereeing that game. That is your assertion. That was your statement that James child was picked for Fridays game because he was gay.

You have yet to explain the benefit.


Is that you just have idiotic ideas about the law that makes you think this would somehow help the rfl? Is it because you think the rfl cannot discipline him because he is gay because you don't understand equality law?

Is it because you think that Steve Ganson who is now responsible for referees, like Jon sharp before him, are somehow subconsciously giving Child games?

It's a ludicrous assertion that his sexuality has any impact on which games he is given.

They don't need to discuss it, and in sure they don't want to, but the fact is, it puts them in a good light - having gay players/referees shows we are an inclusive sport. Do you not agree?

And having other employees of the same race/gender/sexuality who are not claiming discrimination absolutely can act as a piece of evidence in tribunal - I've seen it first hand.

In your opinion, do the past refereeing performances of James Child merit him being selected for so many big games? Do you feel his standard of refereeing is acceptable at SL level?

I suggest we all just leave this thread to Smokey TA, without the oxygen of attention he may regain some perspective and calm down.

We all get it, you are a warrior for the disadvantaged and slayer of bigots (as defined by you). By the way you are very free with your opinions, definitions, accusations and labelling of people who don't agree with your definitions etc, that is why I called you intolerant, not because you were fighting the good fight. But hey ho build yourself up as a hero of the oppressed if it makes you feel goo

Nope you and printer brought his sexuality in to it.

No question has been asked. The printer made the statement that Child of only gets the games he does because of his sexuality. You agreed. You even proudly stated that you wouldn't be so 'suttle'. You outright

Own your bigotry don't walk it back now it's being called out at least have the strength of character to stand behind it. You can tell you know you are wrong because even you are trying get to portray what you said as something different.




Own your words. You weren't 'suttle' there isn't nuance.