For me Ablett has been another disappointment. The early season promise has gone and he's gone backwards in the last 3 games.

Our kicking last night was woeful, and apart from some good play from Buderus, it was another totally flat performance.

Cant we just face facts that the side are totally shat?

i feel a bit sorry for mcguire and burrow.last week, for maybe the only time this season, the pack dominated there opponents. this gave those two room to move and space to play in.
oh for a farrell and fleary. no nonsense players who did there job brilliantly well.

despite the obvious, 2nd row, centre etc, when has a good left wing, become a right wing, was talking 2 an old left winger last night, he agreed he would have struggled on the opposite flank.

I'd actually play:

Webb
Hall
Smith (if not Gibson)
Senior
Donald
Sinfield
Burrow
Leulaui
Buderus
Peacock
JJB
Kirke
Diskin

McGuire
Lauitiiti
Bailey
Burgess

Quote ="rhinoms"More reaction. www.therhinos.co.uk/news/7191.php www.therhinos.co.uk/news/7192.php www.therhinos.co.uk/news/7194.php'" I've never seen a coach look so uncomfortable after a defeat. Normally they are angry, frustrated or praise the opposition with sincerity. BMC just looked worried. He seems very good at getting players up for individual games both with us and NZ, I spoke to another supporter tonight who opined "Is he John Kear with a different accent?"

Quote ="rhinoms"More reaction. www.therhinos.co.uk/news/7191.php www.therhinos.co.uk/news/7192.php www.therhinos.co.uk/news/7194.php'" I've never seen a coach look so uncomfortable after a defeat. Normally they are angry, frustrated or praise the opposition with sincerity. BMC just looked worried. He seems very good at getting players up for individual games both with us and NZ, I spoke to another supporter tonight who opined "Is he John Kear with a different accent?"

Webb, Smith, VACANCY, Senior, Donald, Mcguire, Burrow, Leuleui, Buderus, VACANCY, Peacock, VACANCY, Sinfield.

Subs: Watkins, Diskin, JJB, Lauitiiti,

Taxi Rank: Ablett, Kirke, burgess

The forward pack went missing leaving wingers and centres to do their job for a very large part of the game. I lost count of how many times Peacock and Bailey stood watching Donald, Hall, Burrow and McGuire take the ball up. There was absolutly no second phase of attack and the kicking game was pathetic to say the least. Not once were their fullback and winger split by a kick. The one out tacticks were clearly not working but nothing was done to change it. Both coach and players should be embarrased.

100% agree

after his display last week i expected him to start last night

erm, dont you remember what we won last year?

Living in the past is a real top quality Leeds supporter trait and you seem to fulfill it well, I have said it before and I will say it again, the Coach and his psychofant staff are clueless, totally and utterly clueless.

The team again has been allowed to go backwards due to not having any long term plan, the lack of replacements for Toopi, Scruton and Ellis show gross incompetence, the perseverance with youngsters ala Watkins when clearly not ready is damaging the kid.

And then we have the reserve side? I have seen them twice this season and they look absolutely clueless but hey having the tactical genius that is Wille Poching is really the way forward.

You see that may be the crux of the problem, Leeds are doing it on the cheap and even insulting Leeds supporters intelligence by increasing price for a substandard product.

if you dont like it, jog on, NO ONE is telling you to support them

Funny, coming from you. All I did was ask a couple of questions of Tad that he was entirely unwilling to answer. The argument from me never changed - I copied and pasted the same questions, so how could it?

All I did was point out that Tad's suggestion that a couple of players hadn't been replaced was a ridiculous idea.
At no point did I ever claim that their replacements were as good or better, or comment on the strength of the squad.
If Tad had been a bit calmer, he would have been able to read that.

The argumnets we would have got onto if Tad had been able to answer would have been:
Is it right to replace leavers with new signings or should we develop players?
Is having more players the answer to the problems? The point there, clearly, is that it isn't as if Salford and Harlequins are better talented than our squad.

Correctamundo, leeds win things and GH gets comfy rather than build on it.

You aren't the brightest on here are you Loz?

I will always support them, I always have but as you so intelligently put, that doesn't give me the right to an opinion.

Fair enough.

why build on something which has proven track record?

He made a signing which beyond his control didnt happen

Brilliant Loz, stand still, thats the spirit!!

In fairness it was obvious that Tad meant "not replaced" as in the way you describe it - not replaced with equal or better quality. I actually didn't get what you were attempting last night, I don't think anyone would be daft enough to suggest that we physically don't have the same number of human beings in the squad as we had last year.

Eastwood was a replacement for ellis, thats a step sideways, should have also added to the pack, still no centre, winger on wrong wing etc.

The point is Richie he also asked you some question which given you did not answer - not unlike the points I made above - obviously had you on the back foot - it is obvious if you have a bigger squad you can rest and rotate why did we do so well in 2004 - Smith hardly fielded the same team 2 weeks running - it is great to develop players if they have the ability to be developed if they don't you either replace with the appropriate quality or as in Leeds' case you go backwards simple really - this seem a concept that is pretty lost on you!!!

The first time Smith did it in 2004 was from the FE to the GF where not only did he select the same starting 13 for the first time at Leeds he also stuck with the same 17. There again McClennan hasn't used the same 17 either in 2009 to this point. He did have the same starting 13 V Catalans and St Helens in the cup though.

No you wont. You'll go back to supporting Halifax when the trophies dry up.

Hi Danny!!

Who did St helens sign close season?

They lost Fozzard and Talau and signed Puletua?

Yes but they have cleverly moved Gilmour into the centres who is a better player in that position than Talau who had started to slide and have a better, younger more mobile pack.

Eastwood and some of the youngsters also look a better than the options that Leeds have (look at the Leeds reserves - there is nothing there).

Fozzard had never been more than a decent squad player who has been more than adequately replaced by Puletua.