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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Excellent, I'm all for that, so through the looking glass they stole the hubcap off us then.'"
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| Quote ="tad rhino"barrie was wrong to be singled out.'"
Totally agree. Players hid while barrie didnt. He kept taking it up and messing up but never stopped taking it up. Those who hid were selected the following week.
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| Quote ="King Monkey"Totally agree. Players hid while barrie didnt. He kept taking it up and messing up but never stopped taking it up. Those who hid were selected the following week.
A major balls up by smith.'"
Would you say it was his biggest balls up at Leeds? |
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| Quote ="Gandy"Would you say it was his biggest balls up at Leeds?'"
No, it was when he said we were bigger than Jesus.
The problems that caused.... |
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"No, it was when he said we were bigger than Jesus.
The problems that caused....'"
But we are aren't we?!
It should say that on our new banner! |
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| Quote ="HyperbolicRhino"I have to admit, it has somewhat diluted the importance of league matches and the season in general. For example, noone on here seems massively bothered about losing to Saints on Friday. Why? Because we know we can and will play a lot better when it really matters, and because we know the odd two points here and there don't matter in the slightest.
Of course it'd have been great to win, but losing matches here and there throughout the regular season never stopped us winning the major prize in 2007 & 2008. We know that, given the depth of our squad, it's going to take a big effort from someone to push us out of the top 2, and an even bigger effort to deny us another Grand Final appearance.
So, it's that old debate again - is the regular season a bit of a drawn out waste of time? As Bradford proved in 2005, a team can be average at best for most of the year (didn't we spank them 3 times in the league that year?), then come good in the last month or two and walk away with the prize. Granted there were mitigating circumstances, notably Saints' injuries that year, but the fact was that the team who peaked at the right time became champions, despite being garbage for most of the season.
The only league games I get really up for nowadays are those against Saints (because they're the only team to be on a par with us throughout a full season) Bradford (because Leeds Bradford games will always mean something, no matter where each team is in the league) and Wigan (because they usually lift themselves massively against us in league matches, which always adds that "uncertainty" factor to the build up). I Hate to say it, but beyond that, not many other games get me that excited nowadays.'"
Good points in there..
Looking at the footy league, after Man Utd's last two losses there is pressure on them to win their next match...
If this was superleague with 8 games left and Leeds/Saints had just lost two on the bounce, would there be as much pressure to win the next to avoid losing top spot...well we know the answer cause it happened last year....
Therefore the build-up to the next games is virtually non existant...
Who would prefer a return to the old league system to see many more tighter games, were losing is unthinkable? |
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| Quote ="the wicker man"
Who would prefer a return to the old league system to see many more tighter games, were losing is unthinkable?'"
Which "old" league system? The old one, the old, old one, the old, old, old one, or the really, really old one? (currently our competiton is pretty close to that in operation in the 60's -early 70's prior to two divisions. A league leaders shield followed by a playoff to decide the Champions).
The only way we will return to tighter games is to have more than two competitive teams, and in any league system a win or loss 5 weeks in is not going to determine the outcome of the competition. Coaches don't want to pile undue pressure on their players when they still have 6 months footy to play. |
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Also worth pointing out what a tremendous success the GF has been for the sport. For once we saw what the Australians were doing (what we'd been doing in the 60's) and realised that having a big final to crown the Champions was the way to revitalise a flagging league system.
But hey, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Saints hadn't lost the last two GF's would we?
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| Quote ="Dave Heron's Moustache"Also worth pointing out what a tremendous success the GF has been for the sport. For once we saw what the Australians were doing (what we'd been doing in the 60's) and realised that having a big final to crown the Champions was the way to revitalise a flagging league system.
But hey, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Saints hadn't lost the last two GF's would we?'" Nope, nor were we having it when Saints beat the Bulls in the GF from 2nd.
Typical Saints fans really. Must come from being in Wigan's shadow. |
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| Quote ="G1"Nope, nor were we having it when Saints beat the Bulls in the GF from 2nd.
Typical Saints fans really. Must come from being in Wigan's shadow.'"
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| Quote ="G1"Nope, nor were we having it when Saints beat the Bulls in the GF from 2nd.
Typical Saints fans really. Must come from being in Wigan's shadow.'"
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| Quote ="Dave Heron's Moustache"Which "old" league system? The old one, the old, old one, the old, old, old one, or the really, really old one? (currently our competiton is pretty close to that in operation in the 60's -early 70's prior to two divisions. A league leaders shield followed by a playoff to decide the Champions).
The only way we will return to tighter games is to have more than two competitive teams, and in any league system a win or loss 5 weeks in is not going to determine the outcome of the competition. Coaches don't want to pile undue pressure on their players when they still have 6 months footy to play.'"
The system that provides a team with the most points the title....fair system and incourages more competitive games overall... |
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| Quote ="the wicker man"The system that provides a team with the most points the title....fair system and incourages more competitive games overall...'"
Even the Wigan fans aren't so arrogant as to want to change the competition because they can't win it. Neither were the Bulls fans when they lost from 1st place twice. Only you lot would scrap the showpiece event of the Rugby year, one of the greatest events in British sport, because you got totaly rolled over by a better big game team two years running.
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| Quote ="the wicker man"The system that provides a team with the most points the title....fair system and incourages more competitive games overall...'"
[uTRANSLATION[/u: We consistently collect hub-caps but consistently choke in the big games so lets move the goalposts so that people may call us Champions instead of chokers. |
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| Quote ="Dave Heron's Moustache"Even the Wigan fans aren't so arrogant as to want to change the competition because they can't win it. Neither were the Bulls fans when they lost from 1st place twice. '"
Give Bradford a chance to complain first. With Hood in charge it's pretty much a given.
The teams that have missed out on being Champions after finishing top are:
1999 Bradford (St Helens)
2000 Wigan (St Helens)
2005 St Helens (Bradford)
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| Quote ="LS16_Rhino"[uTRANSLATION[/u: We consistently collect hub-caps but consistently choke in the big games so lets move the goalposts so that people may call us Champions instead of chokers.'"
Actually talking about the old system, before 1998...games seem to be more competitive then.. |
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Ryan Bailey - I adore his gritty style....... and I have a strong feeling that he loves it too....... His huge......., thanks.........Ryan Bailey. More of the same please Ryan.'"
OMG!!!!!
You have problems. |
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Glad to see Diskin is free to play Friday
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| Quote ="the wicker man"Actually talking about the old system, before 1998...games seem to be more competitive then..'"
How far before 1998? |
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| Quote ="King Monkey"How far before 1998?'"
Well as far back as I've been watching rugby so the early eighties, mind you the weather gave you some mudbaths, but even then the games were more entertaining and competitive.
I think we all know why the Grand final was introduced, Sky TV and money!! |
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| Quote ="the wicker man"I think we all know why the Grand final was introduced, Sky TV and money!!'"
If you think about it....the playoffs and Grand Final are how we find the champs. So it's the regular rounds that are the money spinning exploitation of fans and TV subscribers. It's just a way of guaranteeing fixtures. |
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| Quote ="the wicker man"
I think we all know why the Grand final was introduced, Sky TV and money!!'" Why hadn't English Rugby League thought of deciding its' champions by a playoff and championship decuider before Sky TV came along eh?
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| Quote ="tvoc"Give Bradford a chance to complain first. With Hood in charge it's pretty much a given.
The teams that have missed out on being Champions after finishing top are:
1999 Bradford (St Helens)
2000 Wigan (St Helens)
2005 St Helens (Bradford)
2007 St Helens (Leeds)
2008 St Helens (Leeds)'"
Isn't it strange how Saints fans never complained in 1999 and 2000? |
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Isn't it strange how Saints fans never complained in 1999 and 2000?'"
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Anyone with half a brain knows the GF series were nothing more than a money spinning initiative.
With regards to the format we have had, I knew Sainst would benefit just as much as they would suffer.
It was as inevitable as night follows day. I can't really say I was too bothered about the 'fairness' of the system, notwithstanding the fact that I thought Leeds were the best team in the competition in 2007 anyway, irrespective of League tables.
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