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| 11 games is toward the low end of what I'd thought was right but it's hardly extreme leniency.
About right in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Him"11 games is toward the low end of what I'd thought was right but it's hardly extreme leniency.
About right in my opinion.'"
I would agree. I think they should ignore the trial games though, and be 13 competitive games.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I would agree. I think they should ignore the trial games though, and be 13 competitive games.'"
Yeah I agree with that. Don't see why they're included in suspensions to be honest. 13 would've been spot on in my view.
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| Maybe Wigan will now suspend him too and make it 6 months?
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| Quote ="Him"11 games is toward the low end of what I'd thought was right but it's hardly extreme leniency.
About right in my opinion.'"
Agreed
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| Minimum tariff was 8. He got 11. Fair dues.
Would he have played for Wales in the autumn?
For the record, it didn't ruin the showpiece event for me. It was a juicy bit of drama and controversy, and it lead to an underdog win in a match I expected to be all over after an hour.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Minimum tariff was 8. He got 11. Fair dues.
Would he have played for Wales in the autumn?
For the record, it didn't ruin the showpiece event for me. It was a juicy bit of drama and controversy, and it lead to an underdog win in a match I expected to be all over after an hour.'"
No, he is due surgery so was ruled out anyway.
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| Got off lightly in my opinion. Should have received in the region of 13-15 match ban, with compulsory attendance of an anger management course. He had definite anger issues in that match, he even had a pop at poor old Paul Wellens after he tried to bury Hohaias’s face.Alas Mr Wane also should shoulder some responsibility for Flowers actions (I would sentence him to watch An Inspector Calls).
Interesting to note, he has been selective to whom he apologised , initially to the Wigan club, fans, and players; then more belatedly to saints and their fans. He should really have apologised to the whole rl community .
After that verdict its no wonder Radlinski has no problem with the disciplinary justice dished out, I bet he’s laughing all the way to Wigan ABC. Am I right in thinking its not the first time the disciplinary have bottled it ,I seem to remember Bobby Goulding putting Jamie Mathiou in hospital at the time of 10 match bans for head tackles ,only for the disciplinary to give him a 1 month suspension or something similar so that he could represent his country in a end of season test series?Lets hope the Wigan forward pack take heed for next season as instead of Ben Flower it could easily have been any one of them in front of the beak.
Flower did not spoil the GF for me but he certainly tarnished the image of Rugby League.
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| I think you will find he did appologise to the whole of the R.L. community . Sentence about right in my opinion and time to move on .
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| John Kear on 5live says he wants him back in Wales team.
Disgrace in my opinion should have been a year or sine die.
But DPP may still prosecute.
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| Compared to what happened at the Serbia v Albania game last night this is a minor incident. Pity soccer doesn't get the same bad press for that that RL has for this.
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| Issues at Serbia v Albania run a lot deeper than football.
I remain mystified as to why 11 matches for two punches is such a soft ban. Hohaia and Saints don't seem too worked up about it. Not sure why a Leeds forum has #RLMeltdown in progress.
Life ban? Really? Are we so precious?
It was bad. Worse than just punching. So 9 matches get added to the penalty. Which is nearly 6 times what it would have been for the first punch. That seems ok to me.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Issues at Serbia v Albania run a lot deeper than football.
I remain mystified as to why 11 matches for two punches is such a soft ban. Hohaia and Saints don't seem too worked up about it. Not sure why a Leeds forum has #RLMeltdown in progress.
Life ban? Really? Are we so precious?
It was bad. Worse than just punching. So 9 matches get added to the penalty. Which is nearly 6 times what it would have been for the first punch. That seems ok to me.'"
I agree I think there has been a massive over reaction to something that happens in a sizable % of RL games. This is a physically aggressive game and it will boil over many on here did have a problem with what happened at the Magic Weekend!!
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| Eamonn McManus has behaved with a lot more dignity and understanding of Rugby League than all the press and news media put together. Thank heavens for that.
Of course it won't be enough for the hang and flog em brigade, many of whom have treated us to new depths of asininity on these boards.
I'm only glad that he didn't injure Hohai. I mean a life ban for that? Where on earth do you go if he'd say, broken an eye socket? On no wait punching a guy without provocation, who is defenceless on the ground early in a GF...I'm getting a strong sense of deja vu
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Eamonn McManus has behaved with a lot more dignity and understanding of Rugby League than all the press and news media put together. Thank heavens for that.
Of course it won't be enough for the hang and flog em brigade, many of whom have treated us to new depths of asininity on these boards.
I'm only glad that he didn't injure Hohai. I mean a life ban for that? Where on earth do you go if he'd say, broken an eye socket? On no wait punching a guy without provocation, who is defenceless on the ground early in a GF...I'm getting a strong sense of deja vu'"
Lenagan and McManus are not among my favourite personalities in RL (Radlinski I have plenty of respect for already), all 3 though have been pretty measured in their response, and I've found what they've said in public hard to disagree with.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Lenagan and McManus are not among my favourite personalities in RL (Radlinski I have plenty of respect for already), all 3 though have been pretty measured in their response, and I've found what they've said in public hard to disagree with.'"
I must admit I often read the Leeds boards to find some good sense talked by people who understand the game. You and a few of the above posters have, as ever, managed to do just that. But just to meander OT - What have Leneghan and McManus done to upset you in the past? Leneghan is surely more palatable than Maurice Lindsay or Uncle Dave Whelan?
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"I must admit I often read the Leeds boards to find some good sense talked by people who understand the game. You and a few of the above posters have, as ever, managed to do just that. But just to meander OT - What have Leneghan and McManus done to upset you in the past? Leneghan is surely more palatable than Maurice Lindsay or Uncle Dave Whelan?'"
I dunno really. I find most SL chairmen to be quite self-interested to the detriment of the sport (and thus their own long-term interests) most of the time. Leneghan and McManus are among the more prominent.
I tend to overlook it in Leeds' top brass, because I share some of their interests (and because I think Hethrington is actually shrewd enough to notice occasionally that the strength of the whole sport will ultimately affect his interests, though he may not get it right all the time). I'm human after all.
As a collective, they tend to remind me of parish councillors. They make themselves feel like very big fish (a few passes to the Premier Suite through work a few years back served to confirm this) in what is actually quite a small pond.
But yes, Lindsay was irritating. And Whelan is a noted gobs**te (he broke his leg playing football once you know). So Leneghan is a step forward.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I dunno really. I find most SL chairmen to be quite self-interested to the detriment of the sport (and thus their own long-term interests) most of the time. Leneghan and McManus are among the more prominent.
I tend to overlook it in Leeds' top brass, because I share some of their interests (and because I think Hethrington is actually shrewd enough to notice occasionally that the strength of the whole sport will ultimately affect his interests, though he may not get it right all the time). I'm human after all.
As a collective, they tend to remind me of parish councillors. They make themselves feel like very big fish (a few passes to the Premier Suite through work a few years back served to confirm this) in what is actually quite a small pond.
But yes, Lindsay was irritating. And Whelan is a noted gobs**te (he broke his leg playing football once you know). So Leneghan is a step forward.'"
I understand your points but I think what is for 'the good of the game' is the responsibility of the RFL and the clubs will usually act in self interest as it is a competition after all.
I agree that most of them are small fish indeed. And I must admit I have rather enjoyed Mr Koucash wading around the pond and stirring things up this season.
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| What IS that smell? The sad fact remains - the damage done to the image as a family game seems likely to last longer than the ban! Far too lenient and yes - there will be a lot of chip paper but the reputation of the game is sadly shot. Let's hope that today's front and back pages return to ignoring us again soon.
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| Quote ="oldladyrhino"What IS that smell? The sad fact remains - the damage done to the image as a family game seems likely to last longer than the ban! Far too lenient and yes - there will be a lot of chip paper but the reputation of the game is sadly shot. Let's hope that today's front and back pages return to ignoring us again soon.'"
That's exactly what WILL happen. The reputation of the game hasn't changed one iota. Most of those calling for a public hanging never watch a game from one year to the next. Furthermore those who do, understand that watching grown men biff each other about is a big part of what makes the game enjoyable.
Many fans wax lyrical about the likes of Barrie Mac, Kelvin Skerritt and Big Jim Mills in a 'good old days' way, but get all sanctimonious when something similar happens nowadays.
As for the 'family' thing. If you can really come up with a living breathing 'family' who were put off the game by what Ben Flower did, I'll change my mind. I suspect you won't be able to though.
Storm in a teacup. Old news already.
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| It is dealt with, before the ban I thought 12 games would be sufficient so I think they have got it about right. What really concerns me, and this has grown throughout this season, is the way that people are reacting. Flower has now received death threats via social media, add to that the way Hardaker was treated on social media earlier in the season. I thought we were supposed to have a family game, but if you read some comments on facebook etc you would think we were watching football. The way some fans have reacted this season has been the real tarnish on our game but I suppose people are entitled to their opinion.
I hope Wigan look after Flower now, the guy could end up having a nervous breakdown with what's being thrown at him at the minute.
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| Quote ="oldladyrhino"What IS that smell? The sad fact remains - the damage done to the image as a family game seems likely to last longer than the ban! Far too lenient and yes - there will be a lot of chip paper but the reputation of the game is sadly shot. Let's hope that today's front and back pages return to ignoring us again soon.'"
What damage? Can you be a bit more specific? I live in RU territory, and I see no reputational damage here. Part of the appeal of RL for my dad when he started taking me was that it kept its violence and aggression on the pitch. I was born and raised in Leeds but he is from Brighton. As such he knew little about RL. What he did know was that he didn't much enjoy the atmosphere when he tried taking me to football at Elland Road and Bramhall Lane (a family friend was a Sheff Utd season ticket holder). So we tried RL. It was relaxed, it was fun, and the big lumps on the field knocking ten bells out of each other was exciting.
If you want to see damage to the reputation of the game, look at the reaction of "fans" on social media. Major foul play, big ban.
Has anybody anywhere suggested that they will stop going to RL because Ben Flower punched someone? Any suggestion of sponsors pulling out? Of course there isn't.
By reputation it's a rough, tough sport. A line was crossed. A hefty ban was dished out within 4 days.
Lots of twisted knickers round here.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I dunno really. I find most SL chairmen to be quite self-interested to the detriment of the sport (and thus their own long-term interests) most of the time. Leneghan and McManus are among the more prominent.
I tend to overlook it in Leeds' top brass, because I share some of their interests (and because I think Hethrington is actually shrewd enough to notice occasionally that the strength of the whole sport will ultimately affect his interests, though he may not get it right all the time). I'm human after all.
As a collective, they tend to remind me of parish councillors. They make themselves feel like very big fish (a few passes to the Premier Suite through work a few years back served to confirm this) in what is actually quite a small pond.
But yes, Lindsay was irritating. And Whelan is a noted gobs**te (he broke his leg playing football once you know). So Leneghan is a step forward.'"
One of my problems with Lengahan recently is that he seems to be bringing lots of problems but few solutions, jumping on the very fashionable bandwagon that is 'bashing the RFL'.
He criticises the RFL for failing to bring in blue-chip sponsors - a perfectly valid criticism, but it's also something he has failed to do at Wigan. In a league where we have teams sponsored by big financial brands, one of the world's biggest airlines, one of the UK's biggest tea brands, Wigan are sponsored by a social housing provider.
And then there was the "I disagreed with the TV deal but voted for it anyway" scenario. Again - lots of problems, few proactive ideas to solve them.
Koukash comes up with similar criticisms, but I think his brashness and chutzpah earns him a bit of leeway. Lenaghan just looks like someone jumping on the bandwagon in quite an undignified manner.
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| Quote ="oldladyrhino"What IS that smell? The sad fact remains - the damage done to the image as a family game seems likely to last longer than the ban! Far too lenient and yes - there will be a lot of chip paper but the reputation of the game is sadly shot. Let's hope that today's front and back pages return to ignoring us again soon.'"
Looking at the media last night and today, I think most a generally happy with the level of suspension. The statement 'six month ban' obviously sounds more severe than it is, but it seems to have taken away some of the ammunition from the media to say that RL is a soft touch that condones senseless violence.
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| I know I'm alone in this, but I think Ben Westwood smashing in someone's cheekbone, not even being sent off and then picking up a 1 match ban because he was going to be playing for England was a far more disgusting episode than what Flower did.
Justice has pretty much been done this time round. The RFL deserved a punch in the face when they were down for letting Westwood off.
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