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| Quote ="Cas Till I Die"When I think of a big club in sports, I think of clubs like New England Patriots, Real Madrid, Manchester Utd, L.A Lakers..... let’s be honest mate, nobody south of Derby or north of York has a clue who Leeds Rhinos are.'"
CHAMPIONS 7 Years out of 11 in a salary cap sport ain't too bad!
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| Quote ="Towns88"Surely that logic was perfectly understandable . We'd lost 3 times to hull and beat you numerous times (fairly comfortably). Me personally I was very split and very nervous watching your semi as I know certain runs always come to an end. A lot of fans thought our best chance was playing you in the final, that isn't corky it just is what it is. We could have played widnes in the grand final and the slop we served up thst day would have seen us beaten by them too.'"
Castleford simply didn't peak towards the end of the season, as Champions must do. Hull, Saints and ourselves did. If Hull or Saints had played you at Old Trafford, I think they'd be Champions now.
As it is, it's us. Again.
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| Quote ="Cas Till I Die"When I think of a big club in sports, I think of clubs like New England Patriots, Real Madrid, Manchester Utd, L.A Lakers..... let’s be honest mate, nobody south of Derby or north of York has a clue who Leeds Rhinos are.'"
Most countries in the world, the people there wouldn’t know what you are talking about with New England Patriots, and LA Lakers. Football clubs yes, as most countries have interest in it.
I am in South Africa a lot, and whenever I mention Rugby League and UK, many have turned around and said Leeds Rhinos. Kind of puts that little argument of yours on a different basis. Go above York here, as you said, and anyone heard of rugby league you will find Leeds will be the first side they mention.
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| I had a spell in the Carnegie and sat near a family who travelled down from the north east and they had the accents too
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"Castleford simply didn't peak towards the end of the season, as Champions must do. Hull, Saints and ourselves did. If Hull or Saints had played you at Old Trafford, I think they'd be Champions now.
As it is, it's us. Again.
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Hull ? Give over. They put their eggs in the challenge cup basket and they hatched nicely, they were hardly peaking at think the end of the season. Arguably winning the league by such a distance didn't benefit us as before the ply off semi, when was the last tough game we had ?
Not every side win the GF at their first attempt. There's lots to be learnt and I think we are nicely on track. I think if we can pouch Evalds we are genuine contenders. That's not being cocky, as it stands, I think we are desperately short in an important position.
We've come a long way under Powell so I can fully understand fans getting giddy, especially having seen so much dross over the years. Not too great when you're watching everyone in the league put 40+ ion you.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Most countries in the world, the people there wouldn’t know what you are talking about with New England Patriots, and LA Lakers. Football clubs yes, as most countries have interest in it.'"
Heard of them, couldn't tell you what sport they play
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| Quote ="Cas Till I Die"When I think of a big club in sports, I think of clubs like New England Patriots, Real Madrid, Manchester Utd, L.A Lakers..... let’s be honest mate, nobody south of Derby or north of York has a clue who Leeds Rhinos are.'"
Yeah the new york yankees are bigger aswel, but theyre as equally irrelevant here as all the teams you mention.
We'r on a rugby league forum and in rugby league leeds are one of the biggest...to be honest pal, that response is pretty weak, i cant believe you actually posted it, in a round about way your agreeing with me, having to resort to using nfl,nba and footy teams to belittle leeds suggests that you also think leeds are one of the biggest clubs in rugby league.
If Adrian vowles ultimate aim was to play in the super bowl, then you may have a point, but im pretty sure his sporting ambition will of ed around rugby.
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| Quote ="Towns88" Arguably winning the league by such a distance didn't benefit us as before the ply off semi, when was the last tough game we had ? '"
Probably the week before the semi final when you got Hammered at home by Hull FC which was probably just the sort of game that you needed before the play off's begin to get you battle hardened and also against a tough physical side is it not,or had the Tigers already shot their bolt by then and had ultimately reached their peak but were sadly gone?
especially against a side that were supposedly hardly peaking
Quote ="Towns88"Hull ? Give over. They put their eggs in the challenge cup basket and they hatched nicely, they were hardly peaking at think the end of the season'"
Hull FC were also a side that would push the Rhinos close in the semi's only a week later, so If that result didn't give the Tigers the kick up the backside that you needed then I don't know what would have?
TBH your run in from round 27 looked to be going according to plan would you not agree?
Whereas our run in had 2 blow out scorelines prior to our semi final v Hull FC,so judging by your theory our last tough game before the GF play offs was 2 weeks prior to when your last tough game was, so I'm not sure what your getting at?
If any side was going into the play offs "under done" then surely that would have been the Rhinos would it not rather than the Tigers?
So IMO your theory is a great misconception that has ultimately turned into an excuse.
Round 30 games
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Giants 12 Rhinos 36
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Wigan 20 Tigers 38
Rhinos 44 Salford 2
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Tigers 38 Rhinos 24
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Newman starting in the centres for Fev today. Ormondroyd on the bench.
Lilley not even in the Leigh 19 this week. Injured or just not selected?'"
Newman scored and went pretty well according to some fev fans
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"Castleford simply didn't peak towards the end of the season, as Champions must do. Hull, Saints and ourselves did. If Hull or Saints had played you at Old Trafford, I think they'd be Champions now.
As it is, it's us. Again.
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Didn't we knock Saints out? Peaked at seasons end but still got beat by little old Cas. Whereas Leeds just trounced us. Outcoached and outplayed in the biggest game.
I do however blame a little bit on losing Hardaker who was our best player last year. If you played without McGuire I'm pretty confident we would have beat you.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Arguably winning the league by such a distance didn't benefit us as before the ply off semi, when was the last tough game we had ?.'"
I recall saying on the VT around Round 19/20 when it was obvious you were going to win the LLS with several games to spare that it would do you a disservice but Cas fans were adamant that getting to rest players in the build up to the playoffs would give them the advantage. Similarly some were claiming to be fine with being knocked out of the Cup for the same reasons even though it was argued that the Cas team could well do with at least a Cup SF/F for big game experience but that was dismissed with "how different can playoff games be".
What almost cost Cas vs Saints (if it wasn't for Percival's GK) and did cost them vs Leeds is thinking they could/trying to play like they were normal league games.
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| Quote ="cas all the way"Didn't we knock Saints out? Peaked at seasons end but still got beat by little old Cas. Whereas Leeds just trounced us. Outcoached and outplayed in the biggest game.
I do however blame a little bit on losing Hardaker who was our best player last year. If you played without McGuire I'm pretty confident we would have beat you.'"
you may also have beaten us if you played without Gale
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"you may also have beaten us if you played without Gale'"
They did play without Gale in the GF
Their biggest problem in the GF wasn't personnel it was decision making/tactics. Every man and his dog could tell you you should've taken those kickable penalties early on but Cas refused, don't know if that was because they took their tag as the entertainers so seriously they felt they had to go for tries over goals or they thought their best chance was to try blow Leeds away early like they've done in league games. Either way really stupid decisions and some might say that comes with experience but surely the Cas players and Powell have watched most if not all recent GF's and playoff semis and seen what Leeds do to know what the smart thing was to do. If the fans in the seats and watching tv know taking those penalties was the smart choice then no excuse for Cas not to know either.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"you may also have beaten us if you played without Gale'"
We wouldn't have beaten anyone whoever was 7 with a 40% set completion in a competitive final. Gale for some reason is scapegoated from rhinos fans bizarrely as the 1 who was to blame for our GF debacle, he really wasn't. We dropped copious amount of ball and failed to deal with kicks defensively.
Agree wholeheartedly with printer about declining 2 was mental. Literally unheard of in a grand final.
Friday night we probably should have took 2 when 15 up but maybe old habbits die hard.
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| For all the sniping at each other isn't it great to have the rivalry back again? Fri night was a sensational game of Rugby League and there will be more to come thru the season.
For me growing up as a kid Cas was always the big game. I think this Cas team is fantastic to watch. The rugby they played in the first 25 mins on Fri was out of this world.
We've had a SL rivalry with Bradford and look where they are now. We've had a rivalry with Saints which ended in us beating them in 4 Grand Finals. Long may this rivalry with Cas stay. It's great for Leeds and great for the sport.
Both teams was missing players Fri but produced an amazing game. Long may it continue
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| I've said before, I don't have a problem with fans or players being cocky. If they can take the inevitable mickey-taking when it goes pear shaped, what's the problem. I'd also add that IMO Cas would have been a very different proposition in the GF with Hardaker in the team, or even a decent amount of time to train without him. Not saying they would have won, but he was a huge loss. Gale I just don't rate that highly based on his play for England.
I like the way Cas play when it works - players in motion and options all over the place is how every team should look to attack.
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| Quote ="HRS Rhino"Haven't watched it back but on the night I thought Kendall was poor and gave us little. There looked to be a couple of Premier League style flops to buy penalties as well - don't want to see that creeping in.'"
McShane is getting bad for this. He is becoming the Kyle Lafferty of rugby league. About time they penalised it on the field instead of just telling them to get up and get on with it.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"I remember seeing plenty of Cas fans on RLFans, the Cas forum and other social media saying they were happy Leeds won the playoff SF because they knew they could beat us but wasn't as confident if Hull had made the final instead.'"
Ironically, they only got to the GF because Percival (a la Watkins) forgot his kicking boots!
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| Cas have a side that's often great to watch and most of their fans weren't alone in anticipating a GF win. Dunno if that makes them cocky, if it does I've been guilty of the same for some finals - and like them I've had the rug pulled a few times. I do have some sympathy here. Well, a bit...
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| Last years GF was probably the first time that a fair number of neutrals not so much wanted Leeds to win , but wanted Cas to lose
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"The majority of Cas fans were convinced that all they had to do was turn up to be crowned champions, and the grand final was nothing more than a formality and victory procession, some were wanting the trophy hamded to them halfway through the season they were so cocky, so don’t say they were not cocky, their already starting again this year saying nobody can beat them this year after a good first 20 minutes on Friday and that they simplely took the foot off the gas on friday as it was too easy, and they are not joking they believe it.
As for the grand final all I've heard from Cas fans is we only won because they simply played bad and it was just a lucky fluke win, you got Completely owned and dominated when it really mattered by a superior side. cas fans are cocky and arrogant but have done nothing of note to justify it.'"
You'll no doubt be able to provide numerous examples of those assertions then?
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| Quote ="tigertot"You'll no doubt be able to provide numerous examples of those assertions then?'"
You only needed to go twitter to see plenty of it or turn up at OT & see it live especially walking by the parade of shops/takeaways before turning left towards the ground.
Just becase you may not have seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"You only needed to go twitter to see plenty of it or turn up at OT & see it live especially walking by the parade of shops/takeaways before turning left towards the ground.
Just becase you may not have seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen.'"
It may well have happened on twitter, I would have no idea. If people are basing their views on what is said in its 140 characters, or whatever it is, we really are screwed. If we are judging fans by a bunch of p1ssed up kids on a once in a lifetime day out we are equally fecked. I have a Leeds postcode, I work in Leeds, I watch Rhinos more than I watch Cas. I could easily formulate every stereotype of a Rhinos supporter from my experiences. Virtually all Cas supporters on here have shown humility & respect for Leeds, pre & post-GF. Why don't you use those posts to label Cas fans? No-one yet has shown a single post from a Cas fan on here to the contrary.
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| Quote ="ryano"McShane is getting bad for this. He is becoming the Kyle Lafferty of rugby league. About time they penalised it on the field instead of just telling them to get up and get on with it.'"
Didn't see Macca do any flops. One by Webster looks bad on first viewing but Oledzki's knee accidentally makes contact with Jakes temple.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"One by Webster looks bad on first viewing but Oledzki's knee accidentally makes contact with Jakes temple.'"
stop trying to make up excuses for that flopping fish
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