Fair enough celebrating the hit if your 2 points down and are going to get a Final chance to win, but I didn't understand why they were that bothered considering the match was gone.

Oh I believe they were bothered about something and it wasnt winning IMHO

thats how i saw it. Luke won the collision and his momentum was going forward, the young cas kid was on his ass falling backwards. Had the heads not clashed as they did, Burgess would have been in open space

It was poor technique and a lack of control and i think a good coach will talk to him about that. Not from a discipline point of view but if the kids throws around shots like that more often not the young lad will come off second best

I suppose its a way of getting back at your opponents, and takes away part of the enjoyment of winning.

It wasn't a clever tackle technique and Walker was probably lucky not to get injured too. However it wasn't Illegal, and when the adrenaline is running along with frustration, there's always going to be some disregard for personal safety.

Anyway hope he gets back on the field soon.

And to the people who say it was out of order, THIS ISN'T TIDDLYWINKS, THIS IS RUGBY LEAGUE!!!

potentially any tackle in rugby league can cause injury, we've all seen players struggling after fairly innocent tackles like the one on peacock last night
burgess was a case of 2 young players colliding and unluckily for luke he came off worst, if it had been a morley,mcdermott or peacock they might have learnt to lead with the arm and maybe lessen the chances of a head collision

one things for certain , serious or not the leeds lads will queue up to take the pi$$ out of him as soon as he returns to the ground such is the nature of the squad

I take it reading is not your strong point so I will do my best to repeat the context of my concerns.

I didnt say the hit or the accidental contact was out of order and if you can read my post you will see I conceed its indeed a big boys game.

What was not on was the wardance of delight AFTERWARDS whilst a fellow pro is lying badly injured.

How often do players celebrate when they make a big hit?? Every single time, this time was no different

Remember a few years ago when Anderson put in a big hit on Danny Tickle and screamed at him while he was on the floor, its the same thing. Adrenaline takes over and last night Walker was the same, although he quickly realised it was serious after Burgess failed to move.

Hope Luke gets well soon, just a shame an accident has caused him to miss the CC final

Tbh he just didn't even look like he had control of the hit, his body seemed to relax just before the hit (Walker that is) which resulted in his head flying forwards. Completely accidental.

As for the celebrating afterwards, Leeds are one of the biggest sides for the jumping about and celebrating a big hit, how was the Cas lad to know how injured Burgess was? I think as soon as it became apparent the players stopped celebrating, and I don't see how you could have expected them to act differently. I doubt your team would, and thats not an insult, its just part of the game.

No-one is disparaging the reaction of Walker after the initial contact (or any of the Cas player either), most players would have reacted in exactly the same way.

Although it has been discussed to some length on this thread I don’t have an issue with the tackle itself although it’s execution from Walker could have been a little more controlled and Burgess’ positioning a little better.

The issue here is the reaction and continual chanting from a set of fans that have already proven this season that they have little or no regard for opposition players, decency or the law.

This is now what we have come to expect from the Cas ‘faithful’ and TBH should come as no surprise.

Yes back slapping and high fives etc for a good try saving tackle or forcing an error is now part of the modern game but not jumping and celebrating when there was clearly a very huge problem with Burgess.

But to be fair I will watch the incident again in the cold light of day so to speak.

Cas did some poor tackling yesterday, but even IF Burgess had won the collision and not been knocked out he was not in the open, Westerman and Sargent were about two feet away. IMO, had he not been knocked out his momentum would have been halted enough for those two to wrap him up. Job done as far as Walker was concerned and we will never know if LB lost the ball due to the impact of tackle or clash of heads.

Players often do that and JW was no different. The example earlier with Vinnie Anderson on Tickle, Anderson is leant over Tickle shouting in his face while Tickle is struggling to move. What about Guttenbeil on Catic when Awen is practically sat on top of Catic and even slaps him as he shouts in his face. It happens lots and either you watch the game or are just a keyboard warrior. Our game is full of these hits and players celebrating them, so will people please stop making something out of nothing. Anyone who still believe this isn't the case, go spend half an hour on youtube.

NO ONE is being a keyboard warrior



Burgess was clearly badly injured almost immediately and I have always stated here [size=200IMHO[/size THIS PARTICULAR celebration was out of order.

Continual chanting being "one Johnny Walker" for about 30 seconds?

or the little back & forth with Senior? which Ryan Hall even joined in with?

It's a completely different story when it's Leeds fans chanting & cheering when players are down injured isn't it? and don't say it doesn't happen because every time someone gets injured at Headingley on TV you can clearly hear the cheering, chanting of the player who caused the injuries names then some times booing the injured player off the pitch.




So in your opinion, celebrating a big hit, then stopping when he realised Burgess was injured, is wrong?

Does that mean we should ban players celebrating from now on then?

The big issue for me in the Luke Burgess injury was that at 78 minutes and 38-6 down the game was dead, For the young kid to run 50 metres in the dying minutes of the game and put such a hit on an opposing player, accident or not, for me there was clear intent to do damage. Had he and the rest of the Tigers team played to a similar level for the previous 78 minutes (Chase & Ferris apart) or had the score been really close it may have warranted a hit like that, not that I'm saying Cas should have rolled over and accepted their fate but there was nothing to gain other than to put an opposing player in hospital plus the celebration was shocking.

So now a young player isn't allowed to show commitment for 80 minutes and put in a big hit? the excuses get worse



He clearly wasn't trying to put him in hospital either, like you've quite wrongly said, he was merely trying to make an impression to the coaches and force a knock on, which he did. It wasn't a clear intent to do damage bloody hell you'll try find a purpose for an accidental head collision

if Walker came off second best, you'd have all been laughing at how he made himself look stupid etc etc, but because it happened to one of your lot you complain about it being a disgraceful act, when it was a freak injury that wouldn't happen 99/100, just like Richard Owen's injury at Bradford - it happens, deal with it.

And how was the celebration shocking? he stopped as soon as he saw Burgess was injured




Seriously, what is agreeable about ANYTHING he put? if you think a kid trying to put a big hit in and show effort is disgraceful etc I'd suggest RL is too rough a sport for you to be watching, go watch Football if you think he was being too rough for your precious little mind.

Because its a morale booster to put a big hit in. At least shows you put some effort in.

Bingo.

The poor me attitude the Leeds fans have over this is quite amusing, they've made a big deal out of an accident and a kid showing some effort and commitment, he's only played a handful of games, of course he's going to want to make an impression, not to mention the big hit seems to be his "thing", the Burgess twins in the friendlies both got big hit by him, James Stosic did last year (and he went back further then he went forward Walker hit him that hard).

The most serious injury I’ve seen in recent times at Headingley was when Senior tacked Chev Walker and his bone was sticking through the side of his leg.

I suggest you watch the reaction of the South Stand that night.

You dont read what is written do you. review back a few posts. No one has condemned the hit or the accidental contact and we all accept the nature of the game involves the possibilty of serious injury... as we keep saying they are all big boys.

What is in question here was the mindset of the Cas players and the OTT celebrations afterwards in this particular instance.

The quote I highlighted was saying the hit was disgraceful and he was intentionally trying to harm Burgess, which is totally wrong, and you agree with.

There was NOTHING wrong with what he did after either, I've just watched it again, he bounces up and down fired up because he made a big hit and forced a knock on, look at him STOP as soon as he sees Burgess is seriously hurt, any player would react the same, and they do just watch next time a player puts in a big hit, you'll see them react in a similar way, Ryan Bailey does it every time too, so you can't complain about Walkers reaction when you applaud Bailey every time he does the same thing.

If you think that was over the top you need to watch more games pal



Nine times out of ten players react like that and the players didn't exactly carry it on after did they.

The fact it was Chev made all the difference. Pryce and Eastmond weren't afforded such generous applause when they suffered injuries at Headingley. Some double-standards on display here IMHO. It's unfortunate for Luke but I don't think the kid has anything to beat himself up about. (Well maybe the dodgy 'Barnet').

nice to see that most fans agree there was no intent to harm Burgess. And as previously said shows how tough Rugby (league) players are to take a photo of yourself just after having your brains scrambled. Good luck to Big Luke for a speedy recovery