Who said he is?

Heard a loud whisper on Friday at the HJ.

Whether it's 100% though we will have to wait and see.

I know 100 per cent he has signed for Warrington

Given what Totalloiner posted i'll wait and see for an official announcement.

He has signed for Wire, fact.

He's not the only one unfortunately, but best of luck to the lads.

Jesus, and still posters tell us this club is still run well.

I get more disspointed losing real good potential youngsters than I do losing established first teamers. The long term loss can be real huge.

It appears that Leeds no longer have the money or appeal to tempt these young players.

Who else and how many more Seth?

I know of a young lad who was highly sought after, surname of French. Wanted by Leeds, Cas, Wakey, Huddersfield, Bradford. He's a leeds lad and fan aswell, but chose to go to Cas instead. Just said he felt the set up at Cas was better for development. Strangely he also made what I thought was a ridiculous point that a lot of youngsters are put off going to Leeds due to getting to Kirkstall for training.

The club were very quick to heap plenty of praise on the u15/16's and yet how come they haven't signed the cream of the crop?

Chris Plume apart, our youth coaches and staff are pretty poor.

Is John Bastian still at Wire?

Yep and looks like he's reverted to Mcbanana tactics re-youth development "poach every player possible from Leeds".

Yes, it's around the time that he left us that warrington seemed to have got their act together in terms of junior development and we went backwards.

Who would the poor ones be?

Well Barrie Mac is never the right man to have in charge of youth development is he? IMO the head of youth development is one of the most important roles at any club, you need someone with experience. I'd also question whether Damian Gibson is good enough.

We've retained 9 of our u16's www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16916.php

We've retained 9 of our u16's www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16916.php

Quote ="rhinoms"We've retained 9 of our u16's www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16916.php'" Which would be good, had we took the decision to release. The fact that some players decided we were not the club for them is the worry, and how many of them were the better ones. Still some good ones though in that 9. Worry though when media whore talks about money been the motivator for young men. Money is the motivator for anybody, so a stupid issue to bring up.

Quote ="rhinoms"We've retained 9 of our u16's www.therhinos.co.uk/news/16916.php'" Which would be good, had we took the decision to release. The fact that some players decided we were not the club for them is the worry, and how many of them were the better ones. Still some good ones though in that 9. Worry though when media whore talks about money been the motivator for young men. Money is the motivator for anybody, so a stupid issue to bring up.

Out of the list it's Learmonth i'm disappointed to of lost mate he looked a really good prospect but of course those 9 that have stayed look good prospects aswell so we've not totally lost out on this batch.

Anyone who has watched the under 16 side this year will know these are the most exciting bunch of youngsters to come through the academy since the mags n burrow era. Time will tell obviously but id say 2 of these players will be ready for first team in a year the rest give them 2-3 years they will be knocking on the door.

They may well be ready, as some of the under 18's have also been, but they won't get a shot at first team. That is the very reason why some have gone, and some won't come to us. We have this silly plan where the plan is not to introduce to first team until they are around 20 years old.

Baldwinson is an excellent prospect.

i no its slow but we do have 2 actual un18s in the 1st team and one who has played 1st team ,so it is there the progression, but i no were your comeing from , all other sides are flying them in and out dipping there toes, my personal veiw is , it makes older players up ther game as they can see whos after there shirt, it also makes the kid more hungry to get out there again !

Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Jones-Buchanan, Bailey, McShane, Ablett, Hall, Smith, Jones-Bishop, Watkins, Clarkson, Elliott, Hardaker, Pitts, Singleton.

All members of the current first team squad who made their Leeds debuts while in their teens.

Clearly this supposed policy of not playing them in the first team until they are 20 is failing somewhere.

Or it doesn't exist.

I'll let folks make their own minds up which it is.

Always jumping in lately Andy without thought. I was talking about current last couple of years policy, pointing out how good it used to be.

How the hell can you use Hardaker and Pitts as an example? both were transfer signings not developed throught the system.

So we are left with McShane, Jones Bishop, Clarkson, Elliott, and Singleton.

Remind what I said again, then look at the age these players were on debut. Completely accepted by the way Singleton. Therefore out of a list of 16 players you mention, we only actually have one, yes one, that dissagrees to the point I made.

We were so successful at bringing kids in early and developing at the top level, but we stopped it, simple as that. It was a big mistake, not only for encouraging new players, not only for keeping existing youngsters, but bad IMO for their development.

Look at all the top players that have been in super league over last 12 years, all but one, yes one, made their debuts at 18 or below having coming through their respective clubs academy. Players like, Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Farrell, Tomkins, Morley, Fielden, Pryce, Burgess, Cunningham, Eastmond, Wellens, Long, etc.