Said it before but Wire are a good example, look at them this time last year.thing is they went 100 percent with a regime change and overhaul bringing in a quality coach with no baggage and look at them now they look a different team. I don't even think they were that good today but they only had to play for 10 minutes and they put the game to bed.we are miles away, pure and simple.

Yep we need to copy and paste. We don't need a mass clear out but we need 3 or 4 quality additions

Worst thing today is we couldn't make a game of it.. Embarrassing

Your defensive capabilities are woeful. Moon especially looked incredibly lazy. No heart left in that team besides Hall by the looks of it. And his seems to be coming from a place of anger.

When you look at the 17 today, 10 of them are not the required quality or are leaving anyway. Handley, Sutcliffe, Hall, Moon, Ferres, Ablett, JJB, Dwyer, Walters, Oledzki. Clearly Oledzki can make it but needs to have a season long loan somewhere in the championship (assuming we are not there...) where he can play every week and develop. It's a big ask for kids to develop in a SL team that should have big aspirations when there is so little quality surrounding them.

At the moment we have signed Lolohea, so that's one in. I wonder where the other 9 will come from, if they are the likes of Crosby, Thompson and Luke Briscoe then we really are in for a very long turnaround...

My guess is youll see a maximum of 3 players of the required quality come in. Hard to get many more in one off season

Perhaps a new coach and conditioner - if the 3 are those already around

The conditioner is as much a priority as the coach. Can not believe this has not been changed way before now.

We looked soft, knackered,lazy and disinterested .

Clark again ripped us to bits, we should have been looking to sign him when we had a (slim) chance.

As everyone says, we need a coach that can build a team and get them playing together .

Player wise we need two back rows that are under 30 and can break a tackle, a centre,a prop and if we can, a winger

All need to be very good quality.

Spot on.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall the next time kev and GH meet

We need a coach and someone who is prepared to let half the team know they are no longer required. Simply we are in a dog fight now for survival in SL.
Moon and Parcell their heads are already back home in Aus, KS needs to stop picking them, JJB and Ablett both should be sent home both are passed it, we are so soft through the middle it's unbelievable and while I always would swap SL for Wembley, I now fear for our future in SL

Poor from your boys today...some shocking defence at times....we are average...you made us look like a semi-decent team...a long road ahead for your guys...ah well at least your not Saints eh!

Don't disagree, I certainly don't see them all coming in at once, but this just underlines the size of recruitment task in front of us, and how many years it could take.

GH needs to say something to the fans about it or his credibility will start to come under question. It wouldn't be too much for him to say we should have recruited better than we have done over the last few years and we are working to rectify this.

Expect another apologetic email from GH.

A lot of Smugness on this and another thread about Salford & Widnes yet both have strengthened and have top players back.

Leeds are definitely under estimating the other 7 in the Middles.

Hope they continue to do so.

Hetherington HAS to announce signings soon.

Season tickets are on sale, and there will be a fair few will be deciding if to jack it in for next season - and who can blame them?

Sinfield is in charge of recruitment now isn't he? Not GH.

Agreed. But it's GH's £££££_

Dire are not even that good. Yet won with ease.

I'd be getting a bit worried about relegation for the first time now.

Not for 2019

Difficult to announce signings when we don't know for sure which division we will be in

With the benefit of hindsight lack of recruitment for last year has played a major part in how bad we've been this year. The club bought into the excuse-athon for 2016, and last year we won a very weak SL which hid how poor we'd become. Part of the problem (and this is common when 'great' teams fall apart) is overrating the ability and roles of bit part players. Ablett, JJB, Delaney etc were never world beaters, and we've just kept them around too long.

The decline in quality is really stark if you watch the 2012, 2015 and 2017 GFs back to back (or just 2015 and 2017).

it's not hindsight. plenty on here were saying it a year ago

Longer than that. It’s not hindsight. Look at the comments now about difficult to change too many at once. Hence why it should have been done over a longer period, and whilst we were in a position of strength.

I've been saying for a long time that 2017 recruitment was a huge contributor to where we are now. We had an awful 2016 and yet didn't add anyone except Ormondroyd to the squad. Had we brought in two new forwards then and started to move some of the older guys on, we'd be two players closer to being decent again. 2017 was great to win but again it set us back because it hid how ordinary most of our squad are/were becoming.

I'd quite happily settle for Leeds being competitive and enjoyable to watch for a couple of years without winning things necessarily until the junior production line cranks up.