The one ref who was any good (a few years ago) was Thaler, and he's as bad or worse than the rest of them now. Same thing happened with Silverwood...massive deterioration. Something very wrong with how the RFL develops so-called elite refs. (Child is a bit different, he's always been comically bad)

he has always been poor and clearly doesnt understand the game, but we are loosing because our pack cant get downfield

We've been smashed because we keep being called for nothing penalties, while Wire can do what they like to stop us gaining momentum.

Their short kicking game has been goid, creating extra pressure, but they don't look like doing anything ball-in-hand. We haven't really had the chance to.

(Agree the three-prop strategy is crackers, especially if it means Walters on the bench)

If Oledzki or Baldwinson were on the bench how would that 1st half turn out different considering they wouldn't have been introduced until at least 30 mins (if at all?). They might be promising youngsters but they can't walk on water and turn the whole momentum by themselves around FFS.

It would have meant we had more on the bench than Walters and MUllally and as the game wears on it means we aren't flogging three guys to death

Agreed, it's usually the second half when you feel it if you get the bench wrong, not the first half.

Officials getting a earful by Jon Wells at half time analysis.

Someone in the Leeds/Wite thread said he could potentially be the best ref if he corrected some errors. No he couldn't, his appointments to the odd big game (strangely nearly always this one) shows it up to be the token gesture it is.

Would have meant we could interchange our props earlier to try get a better grip on the game, could also have swapped a prop for one of our back rowers

You'd just be flogging other guys though? You can rotate 3 props, after 1 minute we wouldn't have no back towers if we went with Baldwinson or Oledzki who are props.

I'm disappointed with the first half but you can't put that down to a bench who would've hardly (if at all) played.

Plus the fact is Westy deserved a Red card and that second try should never have been given.

We are hamstringing ourselves in a game where the ref is doing his usual rubbish against a Warrington team that is desperate and clearly going to try rough us up.

I know this will descend into a BMD bash but that's not my intent, I think any coach that takes a light bench is asking for trouble. taking a light bench when missing forwards and playing a big team desperate for points was silly.

it was me, and i stand by it.



I think he has done the same tonight. Usually he at least gets some time under his belt, unfortunately he got a minute before he needed his hand holding and has since gone to pot. I maintain that it isnt a skill problem, its a mental problem. He is far too affected by his decisions and seems like he has far too much to prove. Ganson was the same.

Thaler for instance might make a clanger but its over and done with.

Also..to whomever said Wire only scored from X thing and one was wrong so we are ok... we only scored when we had one man extra..

No cance with Child tonight. That foward pass call was fantasy stuff

Oh dear...

Briscoe should be shot. He's had a hand in all three tries.

sorry but the pack is being hammered. again. mind an extra prop wouldn't matter as he hasn't used all his subs yet. lets just flog them

I have already said I was talking about later in the game when fatigue sets in and you start seeing silly mistakes/missed tackles and players to knackered to keep anything up other than one man up. Then you get strain injuries.

Then you start to see trys coming from allover.

No bench would make a differnce in the first thirty,it's the last 25-30.

is anyone disputing the pack is being hammered yet again? no go forward and can't stop wires pack

You can't deny we are badly losing the forward battle. even ignoring the score given the silliness of those given. No chance at all that has to do with a light pack vs big pack?

Being out enthused here, could get messy. Let's hope that we don't undo all the good work an faith built up over the last 4 weeks.

Lol Tad. sorry,think I just basically posted the same as you .

"Unfortunately"??? His major decision in the first minute should've gone to us, if anything it should've effected him by giving us more, not the opposite. He's just plain and simply cr*p.

I hope it doesn't get messy but knowing that even if we get 40+ put on us it won't change anything is disheartening.

I agree with Wells,something else needs to come in. you shouldn't get 69 mins bonus for such a clear and shocking foul.