that was me. I spoke to him after the game. since then 4 people have told me he's asked to leave after having a bust up with the coach.
hopefully once the dust settles both will calm down as 3 props in the 17 is frankly stupid

You think 3 is stupid?

Just wait till he tries using 2!

Radford says he will be picking the same squad backing up from Wembley. Would expect a few changes but not wholesale changes if we really are wanting to (hopefully) get a result

Best result for us this weekend would be a saints/Wigan draw

A chance to pretty much guarantee a home semi final. Hopefully the players are refreshed and ready to go for the rest of the season.

they don't win this they don't deserve second

Totally agree!!

Mistake to write off Hull so easily. They have a very good and well balanced team and will be motivated to for a big finish for Ellis and their impact winger who leave at the end of the season. They must know that this season presents as good a chance as they will ever have of completing the double. They may still have a hangover but equally they may not.

if the right tactics are used, play fast and keep turning hull around, they'll be shot after 60 minutes. if.

Got to agree, I can't see Hull winning an arm wrestle. Our conditioning is outstanding given the size of the team, but the last few days will catch up with us in the second half. The only chance we have is if we can carve you up early and hang on when the fatigue kicks in, and that's a big ask.

Part of me just wants us to write this one off, rest the lot of them and make sure we are good to go the week after, but doing so means kissing top 2 goodbye.

Leeds 36 v 24 Hull

If they do win this do they deserve second???

the table doesn't lie. teams finish where they deserve too.
there's no doubt all the top 5/6 have been helped by saints wires poor form and Wigan injury crisis.
but that was us last year. you have to take advantage.

This is by no means a gimme. Hull are in decent form and played well to win on Saturday.

I get the idea that its difficult for clubs to carry on at the same level after winning the CC but that doesnt always hit the straight away.

Perversely the short turn around might help hull in that they will have to be straight back in to it.

If the Garbutt thing is true it's crazy as he's our best meter maker up front.

There was a rumor that Garbutt got told to pack his bags by Mac after the Cowboys sending off?

Can't see anything but a defeat for us in this game. A few will be rested, Ellis will want to play as he had a great career at Leeds and last chance to play at Headingley. Leeds 42 - Hull 14

Yes i hope Ellis plays, great career and enjoyed seeing him lift the CC again on Saturday. He is like JP, amazing how they can look as good as ever at mid to late 30's, especially when both have been at the coal face for the best part of two decades.

regards the game, i wouldn't say it was a given Leeds victory, like others said if Hull put a decent team out which i expect they will and get off to a good start it could be a tricky night. Last 20 could be telling though.

I think Hull will go as strong as possible, the league table suggests they have to. Very possible that Wakey (away to Salford) and Saints (home to Wigan) both win which would put them right behind Hull if they were to lose.

In the two years of the Super 8's format both CC winners have only won 1 of the remaining 4 league games post Wembley. Us at the death vs Hudds after some heavy defeats and Hull squeezed to a win against Wakey who were winless throughout that 8's campaign. History suggests a tough job now for Hull to stay top 4 and a return fixture vs Wigan next week won't be easy with them out for revenge.

are we going for a new record on Thursday - ???? - 3 subs warming the bench with Jimmy Keinhorst getting a hat-trick of non appearances ?

Whilst I think Hull are a better side than Leeds even though we are in second.
If we cannot beat a team who played a cup final on the Saturday in pretty humid conditions whilst we had a week off to prepare would in my opinion be an upset/shock.
Garbutt should be in the 17 unless he has now replaced Baldwinson on the naughty step.
No doubt we will go with the same 17 and if Burrow warms the bench this time then someone needs shooting.

Golding
Briscoe
Watkins
Moon
Hall
Mcguire
Burrow
Parcell
Cuthbertson
JJB
Ablett
Ward
Sutcliffe
Delaney
Singleton
Garbutt
Keinhorst
Mullally
Walker

Garbutt & Walker / Golding for me.

So Lilley drops out of the 19 man squad from the last game

Cue the McDermott has fallen out with Lilley runours.

No need for him so can see why he isn't in the 19 - Garbutt's non-appearances are strange to say the least given we have a pack of mostly older players.

garbutts non selection, again, is stupid. against a huge side 3 props and flogging old second rowers.
classic macdermott

Still no ferres. Playing him in the semi final is looking a pretty poor decision, given he did not look right and had even said in papers he would not be before Wigan game the following week.

I think hull will come hard at Leeds, they need to win to keep 2nd place hopes going. They may run out of gas a bit but confidence and spirit will be high. I think it will be hard work for Leeds up front.

Do you mean for previous games Tad as he is in the squad for Thursday.