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| Looking forward to the Middle 8s now. At least they'll be competitive games. Sky must be well ed off that the Super 8s are pretty much meaningless for the bottom 4 teams. Watched Fax v Toulouse today. Quality was poor but an exciting game nonetheless.
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| Quote ="leedscat"But we didnt so yeah top 8 for us.your budget is so much bigger than us so we done well'"
We've had a dire season no question about it. I guess you deserve a little gloat, after all you follow a club that hasn't done anything of note in 50 years. Enjoy your "success", IF you get to OT, I'll shout for you. If not and you want to see some silver ware, pop along to HQ there's a very big cabinet with lots of trophies in it.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"We've had a dire season no question about it. I guess you deserve a little gloat, after all you follow a club that hasn't done anything of note in 50 years. Enjoy your "success", IF you get to OT, I'll shout for you. If not and you want to see some silver ware, pop along to HQ there's a very big cabinet with lots of trophies in it.
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Ignore the bloke he’s an utter tool. That said the idea that teams deliberately played badly to keep Leeds down is beyond ludicrous.
Truth is you’ll walk the middle 8,s and next season you’ll probably be right back up there.
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| Anyone who thinks Cas and Hull lost on purpose doesn't quite grasp there is another 7 league games to go. Why would Cas who's focus must be on gaining a home semi so to throw a game makes no sense.
On top of that the theory they threw a game because they was worried about us scraping into 8th spot surely proves that these people haven't watched Leeds in the last 4 months. Believe me we are no threat to Cas' position at the moment.
We're in middle 8s on merit, we deserve no better and the teams above us deserve to be secure.
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing Toronto come to The Emerald and a possible/probable mini break in Toulouse will do me just fine before a trip to America later in the year.
I hope Halifax make it too as it's been too long since we played there.
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| Assuming we survive, being in the Middle 8s will hopefully concentrate minds (GH especially) on the need to strengthen the squad. The main focus has to be a big refresh of the pack. We can't go on signing project players and NRL numpties if we want to get back to the top.
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| Quote ="leedscat"But we didnt so yeah top 8 for us.your budget is so much bigger than us so we done well'"
You obviously are totally oblivious to the fact that I am a Wakey fan no more comments on here about this its the Leeds board, pay attention to detail next time you post!
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| Quote ="leedscat"But we didnt so yeah top 8 for us.your budget is so much bigger than us so we done well'"
Both clubs play to the same salary cap, there won’t be too much between what the two clubs spend on players. You enjoy 6th place, that’s as good as it’ll get for you.
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| With our current squad 6th would be an achievement. That's been made patently obvious by the results since Sinfield took over - hammered by a top 4 wannabee team, struggled to a draw against a mid table team and then beat the cellar dwellers. The only players missing who are real quality over those games would be Ward and Watkins. They'd make us better, but not enough to close the gap on Cas.
Whilst I wouldn't want us to be in the Middle 8s, to think that with largely the same squad we'll contend for silverware is nuts IMO. Not to say BM did a lot to turn things round, but it would be very interesting to find out if he was banging on GH's door to seek cash for new players.
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| Hope fixtures something like
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Toulouse away
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Toronto home
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Hull KR home
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"With our current squad 6th would be an achievement. That's been made patently obvious by the results since Sinfield took over - hammered by a top 4 wannabee team, struggled to a draw against a mid table team and then beat the cellar dwellers. The only players missing who are real quality over those games would be Ward and Watkins. They'd make us better, but not enough to close the gap on Cas.
Whilst I wouldn't want us to be in the Middle 8s, to think that with largely the same squad we'll contend for silverware is nuts IMO. Not to say BM did a lot to turn things round, but it would be very interesting to find out if he was banging on GH's door to seek cash for new players.'"
Spot on. We are a little bit short of the top 4 as things stand even with a fully fit squad. Be interesting to see what happens when Parcell decides he is going back to the NRL, he will be a huge loss. I would like to take Warrington as an example that i hope we follow. A successful squad that had gone past its sell by date with coaches and certain players but they finally pulled the trigger and moved in a new direction. The new coach has been backed with a few new quality faces and some players who were looking done got a new lease of life and suddenly after just 1 year things look real positive for them.
So it can be done, over to you GH.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Neither cas or hull lost on purpose you complete and utter moron. Our loss could in the end cost us a home semi, Hull now have zero chance of top 4 but as Radford said, he gambled bringing 4 back. Did wigan lose to Huddersfield on purpose last week ? Maybe focus on your own sides defeats to widnes, Catalan twice, failing to beat wakefield at home, failing to be Huddersfield twice, not to mention your own capitulations this season.'"
i know exactly why we have ended up were we area. still other clubs seem to have delighted in the fact we are where we are, and Hull performance yesterday was a complete joke if that inst bending over then what is. and Cas on Friday was not far of either.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"With our current squad 6th would be an achievement. That's been made patently obvious by the results since Sinfield took over - hammered by a top 4 wannabee team, struggled to a draw against a mid table team and then beat the cellar dwellers. The only players missing who are real quality over those games would be Ward and Watkins. They'd make us better, but not enough to close the gap on Cas.
Whilst I wouldn't want us to be in the Middle 8s, to think that with largely the same squad we'll contend for silverware is nuts IMO. Not to say BM did a lot to turn things round, but it would be very interesting to find out if he was banging on GH's door to seek cash for new players.'"
the consensus was it was the other way round, Gh wanted to strengthen and had players lined up, but MCD wanted to go with what we had and stick with payers well past his sell by date.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Hope fixtures something like
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If Leeds were to make the CC Final you'd want better and stronger opposition in the build up to that. We all know what happened to Hull KR in 2015 don't we.......
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"
the consensus was it was the other way round, Gh wanted to strengthen and had players lined up, but MCD wanted to go with what we had and stick with payers well past his sell by date.'"
I don't claim to be in the know, but if this was 'the consensus' then it's news to me.
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| Quote ="FGB"I don't claim to be in the know, but if this was 'the consensus' then it's news to me.'"
nor do i its grape vine stuff, but seems to have been mentions a lot by people supposedly in the know, and i heard similar from a member of staff at the club.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"the consensus was it was the other way round, Gh wanted to strengthen and had players lined up, but MCD wanted to go with what we had and stick with payers well past his sell by date.'"
Yeah right a coach turns the option to get some players in!
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"i know exactly why we have ended up were we area. still other clubs seem to have delighted in the fact we are where we are, and Hull performance yesterday was a complete joke if that inst bending over then what is. and Cas on Friday was not far of either.'"
Both Cas and hull were beaten by better sides on the day pure and simple. Huddersfield have won 8/9 and we've been inconsistent due to chopping and changing our pivots every other week. We lost to Huddersfield by 14 and had 2 tries ruled out in the second half. We weren't not trying we just had an off night and Huddersfield were good. There is no hidden agenda. Plus if you're gunna look into detail it would benefit Cas for Leeds to finish top 8, for either a better home crowd / gate or a guaranteed 2 points for us.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Hope fixtures something like
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Wouldn’t that make Toulouse away the week before the Challenge Cup Final? That would be far from ideal.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Wouldn’t that make Toulouse away the week before the Challenge Cup Final? That would be far from ideal.'"
I would still take that draw seeing though I think our 2 hardest games will be Toronto and Hull KR so by the time we play them we should have done enough.
Don't think the CC final will be a worry for us after the 5th personally.
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| Quote ="Towns88"Both Cas and hull were beaten by better sides on the day pure and simple. Huddersfield have won 8/9 and we've been inconsistent due to chopping and changing our pivots every other week. We lost to Huddersfield by 14 and had 2 tries ruled out in the second half. We weren't not trying we just had an off night and Huddersfield were good. There is no hidden agenda. Plus if you're gunna look into detail it would benefit Cas for Leeds to finish top 8, for either a better home crowd / gate or a guaranteed 2 points for us.'"
bang on towns88, just ignore the idiot as the saying goes you cannot educate pork
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| Will finishing outside the top 8 cost us financially?
I was under the impression all Super League clubs received the same amount of central funding.
Over on the VT some seem to believe you get an extra £50k for every position in the league. That would mean we will get £400,000 £350,000 and £300,000 less than the other big 3 clubs in Saints, Wigan and Warrington. Can anyone confirm if this is the case?
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Will finishing outside the top 8 cost us financially?
I was under the impression all Super League clubs received the same amount of central funding.
Over on the VT some seem to believe you get an extra £50k for every position in the league. That would mean we will get £400,000 £350,000 and £300,000 less than the other big 3 clubs in Saints, Wigan and Warrington. Can anyone confirm if this is the case?'"
If true, that's madness. Outside of prize money (which should be awarded for finishing top/higher), central funding is surely more needed by the teams at the lower end to try and improve the league going forward. See NFL draft.
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| Quote ="christopher"I would still take that draw seeing though I think our 2 hardest games will be Toronto and Hull KR so by the time we play them we should have done enough.
Don't think the CC final will be a worry for us after the 5th personally.'"
It wouldn't surprise me were we to win the semi. Logically, wire are in a better place than us but there still seems to be a bit of fragility there.
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| I maybe wrong here but 8th gets nothing extra then its 25K not 50K extra on each place above so nothing for 8th, 25K for 7th 50K for 6th etc not sure about the finalists though.
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Will finishing outside the top 8 cost us financially?
I was under the impression all Super League clubs received the same amount of central funding.
Over on the VT some seem to believe you get an extra £50k for every position in the league. That would mean we will get £400,000 £350,000 and £300,000 less than the other big 3 clubs in Saints, Wigan and Warrington. Can anyone confirm if this is the case?'"
You are mixing central funding and prize money - they are separate things.
CF is the same for all clubs (well, actually, not Wakey, who have a financial penalty for poor facilities), and prize money, which is based on league position.
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