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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"Im still waiting on this iminent statement about lee smith leaving!
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It will be announced that he will leave us in June.
Or maybe not.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"It will be announced that he will leave us in June.
Or maybe not.'"
Will he see the season out (as per his contract ala Chev Walker) or will the club be compensated and Smith released in readiness for the RU season (ala Iestyn Harris) ?
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| Quote ="tvoc"Will he see the season out (as per his contract ala Chev Walker) or will the club be compensated and Smith released in readiness for the RU season (ala Iestyn Harris) ?'"
If he goes.
What he meant was a deadline has been placed as end of June for agreement on a new contract. Otherwise it then goes the other way.
At least I think that is what he meant, if he has heard the same thing that I posted a couple of weeks back.
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| Quote ="DISA"If he goes.
What he meant was a deadline has been placed as end of June for agreement on a new contract. Otherwise it then goes the other way.
At least I think that is what he meant, if he has heard the same thing that I posted a couple of weeks back.'"
So your saying that Smith has until the end of June to accept what Leeds are offering? And if he doesn't it's time for goodbye?
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| Quote ="tvoc"So your saying that Smith has until the end of June to accept what Leeds are offering? And if he doesn't it's time for goodbye?'"
Not what I heard. Other way round. Smith was frustrated that no new contract had been offered despite GH proclaiming it would happen through the media after the GF.
It is Smith that has put a deadline of end of June for one to be agreed.
You can see both parties argument to be fair. Smiths GF performance got him int he GB side. I doubt GH had budgeted for that, bearing in mind the wages structure which includes large increase for GB internationals. On the other hand Smith is out of contract end of this season and as pushed himself into been an integral part of the side, so of course would be expectant of a new deal.
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| Quote ="DISA"Not what I heard. Other way round. Smith was frustrated that no new contract had been offered despite GH proclaiming it would happen through the media after the GF.
It is Smith that has put a deadline of end of June for one to be agreed.
You can see both parties argument to be fair. Smiths GF performance got him int he GB side. I doubt GH had budgeted for that, bearing in mind the wages structure which includes large increase for GB internationals. On the other hand Smith is out of contract end of this season and as pushed himself into been an integral part of the side, so of course would be expectant of a new deal.'"
technically the england side. But I would imagine that a new contract will be in the offing.
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| Quote ="DISA"Not what I heard. Other way round. Smith was frustrated that no new contract had been offered despite GH proclaiming it would happen through the media after the GF.
It is Smith that has put a deadline of end of June for one to be agreed.
You can see both parties argument to be fair. Smiths GF performance got him int he GB side. I doubt GH had budgeted for that, bearing in mind the wages structure which includes large increase for GB internationals. On the other hand Smith is out of contract end of this season and as pushed himself into been an integral part of the side, so of course would be expectant of a new deal.'"
OK. Just clarifying what the situation you heard was. So much for Smith to Wasps after the WCC anyway so that's good.
Is it really a big increase at Leeds for full international honours at Leeds? At St Helens wasn't it around 5K which is hardly worth a mention in the grand scheme of things.
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| Quote ="tvoc"OK. Just clarifying what the situation you heard was. So much for Smith to Wasps after the WCC anyway so that's good.
Is it really a big increase at Leeds for full international honours at Leeds? At St Helens wasn't it around 5K which is hardly worth a mention in the grand scheme of things.'"
I think Saints actually had a bonus system giving something for caps. Not sure but think that is it.
At Leeds they actually pay a higher salary to the Internationals. Commonly been spoken about before. So once an Internationl the contract is re-negotiated.
On a different note though, considering we gave Peacock a new contract the other month, without really any need to , I am presuming that it was a reduction to make extra space, bearing in mind he got the luxury of an additional year.
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| Quote ="tvoc"OK. Just clarifying what the situation you heard was. So much for Smith to Wasps after the WCC anyway so that's good.
Is it really a big increase at Leeds for full international honours at Leeds? At St Helens wasn't it around 5K which is hardly worth a mention in the grand scheme of things.'"
As he was an England inetrnational (albeit 2nd tier to GB at the time) already you would think that the wage increase wouldn't be massive. The lad has been around the first team for 4 years and counting. he will probably now be on a decent wage.
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| Quote ="DISA" At Leeds they actually pay a higher salary to the Internationals. Commonly been spoken about before. So once an Internationl the contract is re-negotiated.'"
Yes I think everyone (even me) was aware of that.
Quote ="DISA"On a different note though, considering we gave Peacock a new contract the other month, without really any need to , I am presuming that it was a reduction to make extra space, bearing in mind he got the luxury of an additional year.'"
Not sure whether a reduction would apply to the remaining term of his existing deal but that is a possibility overall especially if Leeds were aware of his (unexpected?) RFL testimonial kick back outside the serial cap.
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| Are an individual player's personal sponsorship earnings (fees, call them what you will) outside the salary cap?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"Are an individual player's personal sponsorship earnings (fees, call them what you will) outside the salary cap?'"
I stand to be corrected, but I think it depends on who the sponsor is. If they have any connection with the club, be that through sponsorhip, or whatever, then yes it is. That was part of Bradford's cap problems, an individual sponsored a player (Hape?) and had no connection with anything else, hence not cap eligible money. They then started advertising in the programme, so it became cap eligible.
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| Quote ="tvoc"RFL testimonial kick back outside the serial cap.'"
That's a serial cap, not to be confused with a salary cap.
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What's a serial cap, a hat worn in Corrie?
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| According to todays YEP theres a chance Smith could be released by June to start pre-season training with Wasps
If he is off seems either bad luck or bad planning on the clubs behalf?
We released Toopi and appeared to be on the verge of signing Soliola as part of the Tansey switch to the Roosters only for that to fall through, then we give Smith the Number 3 shirt and say he's going to be one of our main centres this year (i know injuries mean its not really happened yet).
And then Senior decides after years of hardly missing any games for us that hes going to miss almost half of the games played so far
Lots of pressure or oppertunity now depending on your viewpoint on
Watkins/Gibson/Ablett if Smith does leave.
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"According to todays YEP theres a chance Smith could be released by June to start pre-season training with Wasps
If he is off seems either bad luck or bad planning on the clubs behalf?
We released Toopi and appeared to be on the verge of signing Soliola as part of the Tansey switch to the Roosters only for that to fall through, then we give Smith the Number 3 shirt and say he's going to be one of our main centres this year (i know injuries mean its not really happened yet).
And then Senior decides after years of hardly missing any games for us that hes going to miss almost half of the games played so far
Lots of pressure or oppertunity now depending on your viewpoint on
Watkins/Gibson/Ablett if Smith does leave.'"
If that does happen thats appalling management by GH.
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"According to todays YEP theres a chance Smith could be released by June to start pre-season training with Wasps
If he is off seems either bad luck or bad planning on the clubs behalf?
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Something's not right.
You've got an ageing centre who's coming to the end of his career (Senior) and two other centres who are far from being top drawer.
Then you've got a young British utility back who can play very well in all the back positions who decides to leave for rugby union?
If true it stinks of bad management, wrong priorities and bad planning from Mr. Hetherington.
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| Quote ="Mr Scruff"Something's not right.
You've got an ageing centre who's coming to the end of his career (Senior) and two other centres who are far from being top drawer.
Then you've got a young British utility back who can play very well in all the back positions who decides to leave for rugby union?
If true it stinks of bad management, wrong priorities and bad planning from Mr. Hetherington.'"
Agreed.
What on earth is going on ? I know smithy hasn't always been a management favourite - Peacock said himself smith nearly got offloaded last season for attitude problems but got his act together and really knuckled down. I wonder if this situation has anything to do with this. Whether smiths suprise surge to being a top performer has caught GH out.
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| My head is going to explode.
I mustn't be nasty to the previous two posters but come on. really. FFS.
Bad management.
Why?
Do you know what money Wasps have offered Smith? Do you know how much he has demanded to stay?
I'd imagine it would be bad management by GH to match Wasps offer.
So if Smith is going to leave anyway, why not release him early and get a transfer fee.
Let's face it, now Webb is fit, he's going back to the wing fast and we've got Donald and Hall
Bad management? Idiots!
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| ATEOTD if Wasps are offering him silly money there's not much anyone can do, personally I think he would be mad to leave at this stage of his RL career, he seems to have just about got his act together and now showing what he can do.
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| Quote ="G1"I'd imagine it would be bad management by GH to match Wasps offer.
So if Smith is going to leave anyway, why not release him early and get a transfer fee.
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Agreed, surely to get a transfer fee would be good management!
Anyway i trust GH when it comes to good management when RU contracts are concerned, Mr Harris anyone??
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| Quote ="rpw"eusa_clap.gif Agreed.
What on earth is going on ? I know smithy hasn't always been a management favourite - Peacock said himself smith nearly got offloaded last season for attitude problems but got his act together and really knuckled down. I wonder if this situation has anything to do with this. Whether smiths suprise surge to being a top performer has caught GH out.
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| Quote ="christopher"Agreed, surely to get a transfer fee would be good management!
Anyway i trust GH when it comes to good management when RU contracts are concerned, Mr Harris anyone??'" Thank you christopher. My anger has subsided. The site is not full of idiots after all.
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| Quote ="G1"My head is going to explode.
I mustn't be nasty to the previous two posters but come on. really. FFS.
Bad management.
Why?
Do you know what money Wasps have offered Smith? Do you know how much he has demanded to stay?
I'd imagine it would be bad management by GH to match Wasps offer.
So if Smith is going to leave anyway, why not release him early and get a transfer fee.
Let's face it, now Webb is fit, he's going back to the wing fast and we've got Donald and Hall
Bad management? Idiots!'"
Look at things simple Gareth, I agree with you.
But put the simple things to one side for a moment. In October after a MOM winning GF performance, GH announced that Smith would be going nowhere and that a new contract would be on the table.
That did not happen, and has still not happend. In that time now Wasps have come in. Had we sorted the issue out in October we would probably (although not certainly) not be facing this now. That could be regarded as lapse management, or at the very least pure arrogance.
Again that said though, it would be stupid for GH to match what the probably offer is from Wasps. Nobody should be paid silly money, regardless of how good or what their potential is.
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| Quote ="Mr Scruff"Something's not right.
You've got an ageing centre who's coming to the end of his career (Senior) and two other centres who are far from being top drawer.
Then you've got a young British utility back who can play very well in all the back positions who decides to leave for rugby union?
If true it stinks of bad management, wrong priorities and bad planning from Mr. Hetherington.'"
Yeah, chuck a huge wedge of the salary cap at a player who might or might not be able to perform in your position of biggest need. That's the way forward.
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