You might find that all odds favour the bookies, that's how it works.

You're entitled to your opinion. Catalans are a waste of space IMO. They provide no travelling support and the French international team is even more pants than it was before Catalans entered SL. The only thing in their favour is that Quins, Crusaders and Salford are even more of a waste of space and offer even less. Quins attendance V Crusaders today? 1,766



I'd be happy to see all those clubs above sink without trace before Wakefield.

The only thing Catalans existence in SL provides is an excuse for an annual p[ii[/iss-up in the south of France, and/or a spot of excruciatingly vain and pretentious petit bourgeois over-indulgences with a touch of culinary snobbery thrown in for good measure by our select group of French Fancies.

Edited! I critique the club and performances myself. Where I disagree with someone elses opinion I might occasionally voice my own. I was actually amused by your post - I usually am, apart from the odd one where you stop the act and post what you really think





It does, but they are a lot harder to predict, as proved by your loss on the Wigan game. It was a lot easier to predict they'd win by more than 8 than guess the correct margin. You can normally see 2 or 3 alternative handicaps if you don't like the original one, obviously with different odds.

We're all mugs in the end I guess. I'm quite a happy mug this weekend but will probably fritter away most of my profits during the season!

Catalans average home attendance 2010 = 6,805
Wakefield average home attendance 2010 = 5,983

Catalans average away attendance 2010 = 7,494
Wakefield average away attendance 2010 = 8,160

Catalans average home&away attendance 2010 = 7,150
Wakefield average home&away attendance 2010 = 7,072

...from West Yorkshire

Going on the performances of both teams last week, there is no way that Catalans were worth backing giving up 3/4 tries. The 20 start some bookies were giving was far too big IMO.

Just like Wire, who having been appaling last week, and having 3 senior players injured, werent 8pt favourites today.

is it worth noting that Catalans ground as been closed in parts for redevelopment for almost 12 months now?

Since you cobbled these figures together quick enough im sure you could do the same for 2009, just as a point of reference.

I weren't concerned by the handicap, I was just backing them to win. Likewise with Hull KR for a rare win at Warrington. At least I went down without a fight.

Fair. You were only a few minutes away from backing a Hull KR win at least.

I'm just not comfortable with betting on bookies handicaps. Just my preference.

5 way margins are difficult but challenging. I only bet a fiver each round on either a treble or quad. Only need to win once in a season to recoup the money. Came in twice last year during the rounds winning £172 and £130 something, so I was up for the year.

Didn't see the Wakey odds this weekend... might have been tempted myself at 7/1. Well spotted.

I'm sure he could but while we're waiting I'll take a stab at it:

Catalans average home attendance 2009 = 9,159
Wakefield average home attendance 2009 = 6,037

Catalans average away attendance 2009 = 7,291
Wakefield average away attendance 2009 = 8,615

Catalans average home&away attendance 2009 = 8,225
Wakefield average home&away attendance 2009 = 7,326

*SL Regular Rds only excluding Murrayfield Magic.

Ta muchly, it was becoming quite a wait

Do you wish to see the demise of Wakefield?

Each to their own I guess. Likewise 1 win would more than cover me on the handicaps, and I was so bloody close today!

Ta. Thought I'd read it wrong- was too goof to be true! Mind you thought the same about hull kr at 2-1 and they got beat!

As I said-mugs game!

Not at all, but that wasnt really the point you were making, or if it was, you werent doing a very good job.

FWIW - the Catalans attendance for the Wakey game was over 7000 with about a dozen of those from Wakey - the new stand is under construction leaving just the two main stands and there were not many empty seats available.

as a matter of interest a recent LER game between Carcassonne v Limoux attracted 7000 fans

It's the point I've been making all along.

There's plenty here who seem to be salivating in anticipation of Wakefield getting kicked out of SL. They want it to happen.

I'm interested in discovering why these same people aren't quite as bullish about getting rid of Harlequins, Salford, Crusaders who offer even less to SL than Wakefield do?

Catalans are held up as a SL success, yet their attendances (albeit OK-ish) are not outstanding, and do not dwarf those of Wakefield.

Quins attendance against Crusaders today was 1,766. What are these two teams doing in SL? Where's the calls for those two losing their licence?

PS: I don't expect Crusaders to lose their licence yet... not while they owe the RFL an estimated £700,000 bail-out money. They shouldn't have been bailed out. The experiment in expanding SL into Wales had already resoundingly failed once they were sent packing out of South Wales. I look forward to their eventual termination however.

Thanks for the nice round numbers.

Do you believe that Wakefield losing their SL Licence will result in the demise of the club? A couple of weeks ago, a large number of posters on their board were in favour of spending 3/6 years outside of SL.

you're welcome - alternatively you can have these figures for the Wakey game

official attendance from the club was announced as 7170 if I recall
attendance according to Sky Sports was 7500

take your pick


regarding Carcasonne v Limoux this was the figure quoted by the 'Independant' newspaper covering the game.

apologies for not being more precise.

Why would you wish to see the termination of any RL club?

Wakefield seem to be the obvious choice at the moment, given the financial problems they have had (which was the foundation of the rejection of Widnes' application) as well as the problems that they have had with securing planning permission for the Newmarket Stadium.

I personally am not salivating at the impeding licencing decision, though the process itself is something that i believe has improved, and will continue to improve the standard of club in the SL. Initially off the pitch and eventually on the pitch.



Fair enough, but posting misleading figures for the Catalan Dragons doesnt lend any weight at all to your campaign, which is what i questioned.



As noted above, the Stade Gilbert Brutus is currently being renovated, your point might carry more weight if attendences continue in their current vein upon completion of the renovation, as opposed to during.

And using the figures offered by TVOC, a 50% difference in the 2 clubs average attendance is quite noteworthy.

When you compare the accomplishments of the Dragons against the majority of clubs in SL since Catalans admittance to the SL, they should be considered a success. Admittedly they seem to have declined on the field over the past 2 seasons, but there are other, more established clubs that have also suffered slumps in the same period.



The calls are there, there are many posters on here that berate the inclusion of both teams in SL. But given the fundamental mismanagment of Wakefield for the last however many years, its not surprising that it is that club that are the main focus of peoples attenton in regards to SL licencing



Why?

I couldn’t give a flying monk about Wakefield; they offer nothing more to Super League than Widnes, Halifax or Featherstone could offer.

They simply make up the numbers and have not and never will challenge for the Championship title.

They’ve got a sh*t ground, sh*t management and a set of narrow minded supporters with small town attitudes who believe that they have been persecuted to within an inch of existence.

Can anyone tell me what they bring to the table that Keighley can’t match?

The management you refer to left just over a week ago.

The Ground we are trying to sort and probably would be further on if it wasn't LCC.

As for the fans we can all say we have fans that act like that at some point.

Thinking Keighley can offer more to superleague than us then you need to be having a word with yourself..?

Wakefield have had since well before the last round of franchise decisions to sort themselves out with a new stadium.

They wasted time and money they didn't have on a development at Thornes that never got off the ground. Blaming all their stadium woes on Leeds City Council really is a poor effort at justifying their position.