Oledzki is a workhorse prop. He is not and never will be the sort of prop who opposition fear. Not because he doesn't get aggro, but he just doesn't/can't run or hit with the kind of sheer power that others do. If the rest of our rotation was full of mongrel he'd be the perfect balance. Sadly the rest are complete powder puffs, and Oledzki looks worse than he is a lot of the time.

If you want to fix this team up though then size and aggression up front are what's needed. We have zero platform for Croft or the backs, and everyone looks awful. Martin is our best forward, but as an OS player he may need to be sacrificed to get us some oomph. But really the rest of the forwards are almost laughably bad as a unit. The only way that could change is if a new coach comes in and tries to get them to tear in. I don't think we have many that could change, maybe Holroyd?

Our pack gets bullied every week and continually gives up cheap yardage when defending. Croft needs to play behind a dominant pack to get the best out of him if we can see this then surely Blease will do too.

I was thinking just after half time we should have pushed Smith up to prop, O’Connor to 13 and brought Johnson on.

Goudemand doesn’t do it for me at prop. He’s a bench back row who can emergency cover prop if needed.

Smith is slowing us down too much, he is struggling for form. Sangare gets bagged but he gets passed the ball with 2 opposition forwards already on him, he has no chance.

Honestly have doubts over all Smith’s signings. I still like McDonnell but he needs to be our smallest forward. The conditions played into Hull’s hsnds today as it exposed our poor skill and lack of physicality.

I’d like Wane if he’s up for the job

Jim we just look poorly coached. Smith isn’t getting a tune from any players. That squad isn’t brilliant, a long way from it but it’s much better than what we’re seeing.

Agree with a lot Jon said. Blease will be taking note no doubt

There’s quite a lot of talent and skill in the squad it’s just not manifesting itself!

They’re nowhere near as bad as that show they put out today

Agree Chris

Didn't go today and haven't watched the game yet. Doubt I will as the result says it all. The writings been on the wall for weeks if not months. At this point Rohan’s like a boxer who's taking a sustained beating. He won't quit, but that doesn't make it right. Somebody needs to step in for his own (and the clubs) good this weekend. At least that way the Leigh game can be the beginning of something new.

The fact is that after every break, every chance to 'reset' or work on things - which we are told by Smith is happening - we come back worse. Three of our worst performances have come off two week breaks - Hudds, Sts and now Hull. To go back to the very first post on this thread, what the heck are they doing with all this time off??

Just be glad we didn’t appoint Tony Smith as Director Of Rugby. As a gurning apologist for his nephew he showed what a dangerous thing nepotism can be in sport. Good job nobody takes what he says seriously, especially Brian Carney.

We’re the third worst team in the league (don’t quote table, Leigh and hudds better)

The talent of the players we have is better, but what Smith is getting out of them is pure sh’ite.

Worse than cas?

I forgot about Cas.

It looks to me like both. We sign other teams’ reserve players or Champ players and expect our magical environment to make world beaters out of them. When has this actually worked?

I’m balled off with seeing our smallest players taking the brutal carries out of D and then making it to our own 40 if we’re lucky.

I’ve made my views on the error rate clear before and that is more a quality of player issue. But then RS and GH have signed those players.

We started the game with one prop (Mik). Then we don’t use our subs properly again ehen we are clearly struggling physically. Either play Johnson or pick another player.

We look clueless in attack and have all year. I noticed us try to play another set move on the left hand side in good ball and it fell apart within three passes as usual.

Some of the goal line D was embarrassing, where their players got the ball down (or nearly did) about three times with three or four Leeds players in the tackle.

Sounds like Wilkin should be coach!

Only watched 20 minutes as had other plans.
But in that 20 minutes we looked like a bottom 4 team playing without any organisation, forwards who were powder puff and backs who looked like they hadn`t a clue.
Smith who I saw being interviewed at the start of the game looked nervous and needed a rocket up his arris.
And a captain who has gone backwards from last season along with a number of others.

I would give Cam Smith much less game time and play O’Connor at 13. Our attack looks more crisp as well with Corey at 9… though he was only on for 5 mins.

I see oconnor as a 13. Great line speed and tough. he certainly isn't a hooker imo

He doesn’t have the size for 13 or quite the head or skill for 9. He is willing and a good squad option but yet another player without a clear position IMO.

His line speed and positivity against Hull was great - there was a rumour they were signing him for next year as starting 9.

Agree. Which sadly sums up our current predicament. Can see why Tad would suggest it though. Maybe if we had some real heavyweights in the pack.

Yeah well JOC came through at 13 and then was pushed up to 9 wasn’t he?

Said it before but aside from Ackers/Johnson/JOC at hooker, the smallest player I want to see in the pack would be McDonnell. And the big ones need to be more skilful.

Again, wouldn’t be surprised if JOC was signed elsewhere next year and we ended up keeping Johnson as understudy to Ackers. Another one for Blease to sort out.

I don’t think Jarrod will be leaving.

Various players not doing strength conditioning and coach not too bothered apparently.

I hope he stays, his attitude is great but my concern is long-term where does he play?

Do you see him as our hooker longer term or back row?