What you have said there is 100% spot on Gotcha. The MAJORITY (in capitals) let me repeat the MAJORITY of clubs, who lets be honest are eligible for the government grant and also central funding, are deciding to not fulfill their fixtures. Yet nothing is been said about these clubs. That is my point.

While everyone is getting giddy about Toronto's demise why arent people questioning the lower league clubs taking the same decision.

As ive said repeatedly now, what Toronto have done is plainly wrong but other clubs are doing exactly the bloody same albeit without the headlines and bloodthirst as Toronto. I agree with everyone that Toronto should be punished accordingly but only in line with the other clubs doing exactly the same as them.

I believe really we are in total agreement.

So you are obtuse.

I cannot seriously believe you can't see the difference.

For a start did the lower league clubs give the RFL assurances that they would be competing in the rescheduled fixtures, letting the fixture list be agreed and published then a week later pull out?

That alone makes it a totally different scenario.

That makes it even worse. They clearly had absolutely no intention of ever fulfilling their fixtures. Certainly doesnt make it right Chris.

It really doesn't make it worse.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse for some reason on this, probably because you had to backtrack from your earlier comments on Wolfpack?

If we relegate Toronto, then who do we promote?

What punishment do we give them? They already don't get any sky money, they had to pay to enter the cup, and they're not eligible for the 16m government grant.

Why cant you see that my comments are aimed at the traditional clubs which appear to be untouchable and uncriticisable and not aimed at Toronto?

Why can’t you see that the situations aren’t remotely comparable?

If you are just on a wind up then carry on , if not i suggest you leave the Forum !

Leave the forum lol. Oh dear this place is something else.

Leave the forum because he has a different opinion?

Think you are hitting your head on a brick wall, Christopher

Super League Clubs need to think about the new sky tv deal to be negotiated next year. Having Toronto in Super League undoubtedly makes that tv deal worth more.

Its not just a different opinion , its the fact that he is ignoring other opinions and writing the same thing again when it has been explained to him .

You are kidding surely? They have just pished off sky completely by the actions they have done. Each club is now likely to have to pay an increased rebate to sky as a result.

Toronto are now saying in 2021 they would want a share of Sky money.

Like i ssid lay off the Jamaican Roll ups.

Hell no dont do that Marty i enjoy exchabging opinions & reading your posts about RL at every level

I think the problem is marty has been hitting his head against a brick wall.

Sure feels like with some of the people on here.

Certainly cant criticise any heartland clubs on here thats for sure.

It's not about not criticising them, there's plenty to criticise, it's about recognising the differences in the the situations.

Come on chaps, get real. The owner is a multi millionaire, he is a grafter, he’s been a work horse. He has got where he has because of his hard work and his knowledge of business. He knows about investments. A lot of people in Canada rely on this chap for their income. To protect his other business interests he has simply pulled the plug on TWP because this is the easy option. Yet he will pick it up again in the 2021 season. If he is prepared to do that now what will stop him doing it again in the future.
Let’s go back when it all started, TWP wanted to join SL Europe. They made promises to the RFL and SL, Chairmen was informed what was going to happen, the CEO of TWP made promises galore, the promises are there in black and white.
No share of the money from Sky.
Payment of airfares to Canada for the opposing teams.
Hotels etc
He would develop their own players in time.
I am not saying he misled people, but most people bought into it. He has been on a signing spree, it seems between 2 and 4 players will be signing from the Rhinos or ex Rhinos for next season, I ask you to listen to the current squad, they are not even paying their current squad on time, how can you plan for next season when you cannot complete this season.
I say again KW wife does not have a good word to say,
If we are to forgive and forget, then TWP should not be allowed to keep signing players for next season until they give a financial undertaking.
Only at the start of this season did they ask for a higher salary cap, they wanted rules for them and different rules for others. Good luck to them, but what happens if it does not work, like all individuals they pull the plug in an area that leases affects them. When on a budget why would anyone sign players past their best on big salaries.
This was a disaster waiting to happen, it’s time the RFL and SL employ someone who can do a professional job and market this great sport and not go for global prominence with some hair brain scheme,
If you honestly thought this exercise was going to work you are delusional, Santa Clause really exists.

Allegedly they had to be taken to court for non-payment to their original kit supplier, they faced a winding up order for non-payment of legal fees (Ryan Bailey UK Anti Doping case) & had to be chased up for payment of transfer fees for Caton-Brown, Westerman & O'Brien. The players haven't been paid recently and there may be other creditors waiting for payments. Regardless of whether COVID-19 and / or visa issues have scuppered them for this season it seems to me that they've always had money or cash flow problems.

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It really doesnt look like they will start next year . RL taken in again left with egg on face