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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Some people really need to learn what homophobic actually means.
One of my friends I call (to his face) my favourite faggot. Am I homophobic?
My eldest daughter’s best friend is a gay male, she calls him a lankey puff. Is she homophobic?
My gay daughter often refers to other lesbians as dirty dikes. Is she homophobic?
Maybe some of you straight guys should spend a little time with the LGBT community and understand exactly what they consider as homophobic and what they consider as acceptable banter.'"
Quote ="ThePrinter"The elephant in the room.....the guy ticks a certain box of "equality" because of his sexuality. That's why he gets the gigs he does.'" is in no way 'banter' I'm not sure the relevance of your post.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"is in no way 'banter' I'm not sure the relevance of your post.'"
There may not be any relevance to the post you have quoted but try reading the entire thread.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"There may not be any relevance to the post you have quoted but try reading the entire thread.'"
if its regarding hardaker, I'm sure not even he would state it was banter. He said what he said in anger and frustration.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"if its regarding hardaker, I'm sure not even he would state it was banter. He said what he said in anger and frustration.'"
Does that make him a homophobe?
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Does that make him a homophobe?'"
no, not at all. It means he used a homophobic insult in anger.
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| Child gets big games because there is frankly a dearth of actual referees to select from. When I was a season ticket holder at the football I probably saw about 25 games a season. I probably saw about 9 or 10 different refs taking charge of those - I certainly don't remember consciously noticing the same ref being in charge more than 3 times a season max.
In contrast to RL, every time I go to Headingley (or watch a game on television and even the Super League show) it feels that we have the same ref every other week or every 3 weeks. Heck, I then feel the ref from a Thurs game or our game on Fri then seems to be ref again (or at least involved somehow) in subsequent games in that round.
It is either Bentham, Silverwood, Thaler or Child. Or that younger one with blonde hair once in a while. It never seems to be anyone else. 5 refs to cover 12 teams in a 6 matches per round basis. Bear in mind two of those are usually on TV and they are also typically one of the VRs too.
It is a same with the linesmen too - it always seems to be two from that bloke with blonde / grey hair that looks about 50, the tall skinny kid with dark hair who looks about 14, another weedy looking young one with lighter hair if I remember right, plus a couple of others.
It is a complete dearth. In my view I shouldn't be noticing a ref doing more than one game a round and I shouldn't be turning up at a game feeling I saw that ref as recently as I was last watching the rhinos. Half the time it feels that I see the officials more frequently than some of the Rhinos players even - and I am a season ticket holder!
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"no, not at all. It means he used a homophobic insult in anger.'"
Which is the point that I'm trying to make.
People need to distinguish between to the two and are often way to eager to brand someone as a homophobe because they have uttered a homophobic slur.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Why is his consistent (and this is what needs to be taken on board here) incompetence ignored by his employers, despite dealing with it with others?'"
Is he more competent than Alibert? Yes, even if only for the fact he can capably communicate in the same language as the overwhelming majority of players in the competition.
So if that's the comparison you're trying to draw, IMO you're off the mark.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"its the only reason that exists and the only one which you have clarified and repeated throughout your posts.
You are going to have to try again with your last paragraph. You don't think your opinion on this fact?
James Child could be getting these games because he is secretly a lizard relative of the queen, you have exactly the same amount of evidence of that as you do that he gets them because of what he likes to do with his willy.'"
And you have the same amount of evidence that he doesn't get them because of the idea I suggested.
Also regarding the "only reason" thing. Me and Gotcha have explained our reasons many times between us. Problem is you've continuously just mis-read them so that you can read what you want to see which is basically along the lines of us apparently saying "we hate gays, Child should never be allowed near the sport because he's gay"......when reality is we've written nothing close to what you think we have. Thus why you can only see "one reason", the reason you decided on right from the off and have mis-read posts ever since so that you can stick with it.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Oh didn't you know, as Smokey pointed out I'm a big massive homophobe. If I see a gay couple on the street I run over and spit on and kick them. When a gay man moved in a few doors down I smashed all his car and house windows with bricks because I hate them so much.
No, really.
Oh and because their seems to be some confusion with a few posters. I haven't questioned his employment of said he shouldn't have a job, but I have questioned why they often throw big games (like Leeds vs Saints) at him when he's never put in performances that warrant getting such a high profile game live on Sky cameras. I mean for the love of god this thread was started by a Wakey fan who had sympathy for us in defeat (when does that ever happen) because he (and most SL fans) have always rated Child as ridicioulsy poor and not good enough.'"
So does he only get these big games in front of the Sky cameras because he's gay and the RFL are pushing some sort of inclusivity agenda? Not accusing anyone of anything, just wondering where the link between the two things comes in?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Is he more competent than Alibert? Yes, even if only for the fact he can capably communicate in the same language as the overwhelming majority of players in the competition.
So if that's the comparison you're trying to draw, IMO you're off the mark.'"
So Alibert wasn't competent but got games for a certain reason beyond performance ability. In this case his nationality ticked a certain box. If he was English would he have ever gotten SL games???
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Some people really need to learn what homophobic actually means.
One of my friends I call (to his face) my favourite faggot. Am I homophobic?
My eldest daughter’s best friend is a gay male, she calls him a lankey puff. Is she homophobic?
My gay daughter often refers to other lesbians as dirty dikes. Is she homophobic?
Maybe some of you straight guys should spend a little time with the LGBT community and understand exactly what they consider as homophobic and what they consider as acceptable banter.'"
So if you call a gay person a faggot as a pejorative term - as was clearly the case with Hardaker - is that "acceptable banter"?
If you (however veiled) state that someone only gets the jobs they do because they're gay - is that "acceptable banter"?
I'd suggest one particular straight guy needs to learn to understand context.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So Alibert wasn't competent but got games for a certain reason beyond performance ability. In this case his nationality ticked a certain box. If he was English would he have ever gotten SL games???'"
Alibert got a gig in SL to stop the French bleating about English referees being against them. He turned out not to be up to the required standard in terms of decision making or communication, and got dropped.
His nationality was clearly a factor in his appointment. I don't think anyone could doubt that, it was clear.
I've yet to see any kind of evidence to indicate that the only reason James Child gets televised games in SL (and if you're a SL referee, the odds are you'll be on TV every other week because half the games are televised), is because he's gay. I've seen people making that assumption, but with absolutely nothing to back it up.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Some people really need to learn what homophobic actually means.
One of my friends I call (to his face) my favourite faggot. Am I homophobic?
My eldest daughter’s best friend is a gay male, she calls him a lankey puff. Is she homophobic?
My gay daughter often refers to other lesbians as dirty dikes. Is she homophobic?
Maybe some of you straight guys should spend a little time with the LGBT community and understand exactly what they consider as homophobic and what they consider as acceptable banter.'"
For similar reasons/relations in my life I have people in my life who would laugh at Smokey if they heard him calling me homophobic.
The whole idea of equality is to treat people EQUALLY. Smokey is from this PC brigade of treating homosexuals (or race/gender/religion) with kid gloves on and any issue around homosexuality should have an approved answer to otherwise you get these nanny state troopers like Smokey whole start screaming HOMOPHOBE HOMOPHOBE HOMOPHOBE at someone at the slightest whiff of opportunity.
Thing is IF Child was constantly one of the best referees in the competition and was constantly overlooked for big games, I'd be the first person to ask why and ask if his sexuality was a factor and saying it was wrong......surprising considering I'm such a big massive homophobe apparently.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"
Oh and because their seems to be some confusion with a few posters. I haven't questioned his employment of said he shouldn't have a job, but I have questioned why they often throw big games (like Leeds vs Saints) at him when he's never put in performances that warrant getting such a high profile game live on Sky cameras. I mean for the love of god this thread was started by a Wakey fan who had sympathy for us in defeat (when does that ever happen) because he (and most SL fans) have always rated Child as ridicioulsy poor and not good enough.'"
Your post was clear. You were asking if he got appointments because of his sexuality.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply posing a question, albeit a stupid question. That you got one particular idiot to answer positively is depressing but not surprising.
I've no idea about Child's sexuality and I don't care. But I haven't seen anything in the public domain that he has come out. The idiot that answered your question positively says he has but I've seen no link. If he hasn't publicly declared his sexuality (and why the hell should he) you're a bit of an idiot for posing such a question, based upon rumor and innuendo and you should be ashamed.
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| I actually thought Child was improving recently after a couple of pretty good performances but Friday night was just awful. I really can't remember ever seeing a ref get so many decisions wrong, for both teams. That penalty at the end was pure comedy.
If he really is one of the best we have then we really need to invest heavily in refereeing and very, very quickly.
I highly doubt it's positive discrimination, our sport isn't high profile enough for anyone to care! My money's on him having dirt on someone
As for this Smokey...
Quote ="SmokeyTA"and no, I don't believe that other people who are different from you are being gifted things you are not.'"
Are you #@&*!$%@ serious?!!
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| Quote ="G1"Your post was clear. You were asking if he got appointments because of his sexuality.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply posing a question, albeit a stupid question. That you got one particular idiot to answer positively is depressing but not surprising.
I've no idea about Child's sexuality and I don't care. But I haven't seen anything in the public domain that he has come out. The idiot that answered your question positively says he has but I've seen no link. If he hasn't publicly declared his sexuality (and why the hell should he) you're a bit of an idiot for posing such a question, based upon rumor and innuendo and you should be ashamed.'"
It's not rumour or innuendo. That you haven't heard about it shouldn't be a benchmark as to whether someone else can talk about it.
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| Child came out a few years ago. He has suffered plenty of abuse as a result. As a fellow Chartered Surveyor I too have felt the ridicule but needed to be open for the money.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"And you have the same amount of evidence that he doesn't get them because of the idea I suggested.
Also regarding the "only reason" thing. Me and Gotcha have explained our reasons many times between us. Problem is you've continuously just mis-read them so that you can read what you want to see which is basically along the lines of us apparently saying "we hate gays, Child should never be allowed near the sport because he's gay"......when reality is we've written nothing close to what you think we have. Thus why you can only see "one reason", the reason you decided on right from the off and have mis-read posts ever since so that you can stick with it.'"
If you don't see the utter idiocy in your argument it will take someone with a lot more tolerance for idiots than me to show you where you are wrong.
The fact is the ONLY evidence that you have that Child gets games because he is gay is the fact it hasn't yet been disproved.
The fact is that on that same basis we can put it down to anything. Child being a lizard. Child being a secret billionaire and paying for the games, all other referees being scared of Jon Wilkins nose and refusing to ref that game, all the refs being Aliens who feed off the righteous indignation of morons and the appointment of child on Friday allowed them to have a full on banquet from you and Gotcha. All those examples have exactly the same amount of evidence for them as your moronic one.
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| Quote [Alibert got a gig in SL to stop the French bleating about English referees being against them. He turned out not to be up to the required standard in terms of decision making or communication, and got dropped.
His nationality was clearly a factor in his appointment. I don't think anyone could doubt that, it was clear.
I've yet to see any kind of evidence to indicate that the only reason James Child gets televised games in SL (and if you're a SL referee, the odds are you'll be on TV every other week because half the games are televised), is because he's gay. I've seen people making that assumption, but with absolutely nothing to back it up./quote
So the RFL DO have form for positive discrimination then? Hmm
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| Alibert wasn't positive discrimination. As a French and UK competition it is right that we have French as well as UK referees. The French nominated their best.
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| "His nationality was clearly a factor in his appointment"
If that is not discrimination (be it positive or otherwise), then we need a new dictionary definition.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Alibert wasn't positive discrimination. As a French and UK competition it is right that we have French as well as UK referees..'"
Not if he wasn't good enough.
It is right to pick the 6 (7 at that time) best officials. Not tell one ref "sorry you'll have to ref in the championship because we need to have a French ref even if he isn't as good as you"
He should only have been there on performance ability alone....not because we needed to have at least one French referee to keep some people happy. That's positive discrimination.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"If you don't see the utter idiocy in your argument it will take someone with a lot more tolerance for idiots than me to show you where you are wrong.
The fact is the ONLY evidence that you have that Child gets games because he is gay is the fact it hasn't yet been disproved.
The fact is that on that same basis we can put it down to anything. Child being a lizard. Child being a secret billionaire and paying for the games, all other referees being scared of Jon Wilkins nose and refusing to ref that game, all the refs being Aliens who feed off the righteous indignation of morons and the appointment of child on Friday allowed them to have a full on banquet from you and Gotcha. All those examples have exactly the same amount of evidence for them as your moronic one.'"
Thing is though, they don't.
Just because you've got your head in the clouds to this magical happy place where positive discrimination doesn't actually exist to you doesn't mean it not a very real issue.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Thing is though, they don't.
Just because you've got your head in the clouds to this magical happy place where positive discrimination doesn't actually exist to you doesn't mean it not a very real issue.'"
Do you have a problem with limiting the amount of overseas players coming in to European RL sides?
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