Yet when a coach tries to impose a structure, we get performances like the first half on Saturday.

England looked much better playing in a more "off the cuff" style in the second forty.

Sinfield not having the discipline to hold the line was the key ingredient in that disaster of a first half!!

The key ingredient was trying to play a compressed defence against a team confident in their own ability to move the ball from their right to left quicker than you can slide across to cover.

Whenever the ball was within fifteen yards of Australia's right touchline, there were no more than two or three England defenders to their right of the centre spot.

It wouldn't have mattered who England had on their right hand side, with that structure and the passing ability of Lockyer and Thurston they were always going to get killed.

Second half England spread a bit more and went more man on man, which didn't allow the Aussies to outflank them as easily.

The structure of the English defensive line - Sinnys fault.

The distribution of the ball from the PTB to the backs - Sinnys fault.

All the troubles in Afghanistan – Sinnys fault.

The current economic turndown - Sinnys fault.

Global warming - Sinnys fault.

Have I missed anything?

Truly awful attempt.

Did you once walk in on your mother fellating Sinfield or something?

He did and he was jealous. I'm just not sure who of.

We played to a structure in the first half



I thought the improvement in the second half was down to an increase in intensity and the plugging of the gaps on the right. That meant we got more ball. In the first when we had the ball there seemed to be no structure, just desperation passing and that led to errors.

Off the cuff is fine so long as the playmakers have runners and support, there was a bit more of that in the 2nd half. Thing is you do need a bit of structure at times, especially on the last play so people have an idea of what kick they're chasing/contesting.

If that little interplay with Tomkins had come off we'd all be saying what a pair of magicians they both are. Four points in it with five to go and England in the ascendancy. Something to think about.

So DM didn't have a ground breaking game. He's a confidence player etc etc.. he's also human.

4 minutes to go, little step, show and go, gas to the corner and all of a sudden he's the hero again. I reckon it's been like that for most of DM's domestic career. Wouldn't surprise me if it carried on that way Internationally too.

I think it's been raised already, but at 26 he still has an awful lot to give .

Glad I managed to make your signature, although I don't think I'll be needing to backtrack on it no matter how good Peacock looks against mediocre domestic opposition in 2010.

Shot you said. Shot. Not "Able to man up against mediocre domestic opposition." Shot.

And at international level - which was the topic under discussion - he is.

The vicarious delight being shown at a Leeds players performance by the plastic scousers, merely indicates just how much our triple winning GF performances have hurt them.

Past glories and what iffs don't make a blind bit of difference to the fact that DM was absolute mince on Saturday. If he's to continue playing as an International, then it'll be down to the player to produce the kind of form that warrants an International jersey.

Nowt different fom any player.

Really?

So it's absolutely nothing like the comments Leeds fans have passed over recent years about the performances of Leon Pryce and Paul Wellens at international level then?

Sometimes the holier than thou attitude of the s on here can be so bad it's laughable.

Think I summed it up better on the Eastwood thread

Consecutive club coaches running him into the ground for 30 weeks a year has taken all the zip out of his legs and leaves him running like he's wearing concrete shoes.

Club coaches, all the zip, concrete shoes. Seems pretty categorical to me. Shot you said.

Your inability to place a comment in the context of which it was made isn't my problem, but feel free to carry on struggling to do so in public rather than private if you wish.

Leon Pryce is the most exasperating man in the world, except maybe for Chris Feather. He has all the attributes to be a world beater. he's too big, too fast and too strong for any defence in the world to handle when he's on song. But that's just it. He's either on song, or down with laryngitis, there is no middle ground.

It's so frustrating to see an on form Leon Pryce disappear in the pressure cooker.

As for Feather he should be a monster, but he has no ticker. So he's not.

Andy there was no attempt to put anything in context. You said Jamie Peacock is shot. That he has no zip and has boots of concrete. Let's not try to pretend that you meant that he only has no zip and concrete shoes in International games. Now he is either shot or he isn't.

Which is it?

He's no longer capable of performing at international level. As a player at that level, he's shot. At the massively inferior level of SL he can still do a job as his deficiencies aren't as clearly exposed.

Clearer for you?

Lots negative said about McGuire and most of it true. His position in defence was poor, his kicking average and his distribution slow. His passing, which someone on here has said is good, was terrible: the panicked throw to Burgess for the try, the flat pass that was nearer to the Aus line (I think they knocked on from it), the pass in the second half that Eatmond knocked on (and he knocked on because it was impossible to reach). He seldom shows any ability to take on the line preferring to crab along waiting for a gap.

That said, those players (forwards) who should have moved across were woeful for the tries in the first half leaving the right side exposed.

I am not sure that Australia played that well at all thoughout the game. Despite five easy tries in acres of space, there wasn;t that much great play from them.

Thought Tompkins was okay, but cannot understand why he was only first receiver a couple fo time in nearly fifty minutes of play. Defensively, he (and Shenton) were okay though....which brings me back to McGuire.....oh dear.....

Its more to do with the fact that he gets his rocks off by getting people to hate him on the internet.

I don't understand it either, I think its possibly a mental illness but I'm neither sure nor interested.

Much, why didn't you just say so?

Boll*cks. All this McGuire is not good enough cr&p is laughable and predictable.. he had a poor game... so f**king what !! So did the entire team for the first 40. He's got talent. Get behind the lads, we know we're not as good as Australia, but we must support the guys, it's a young team and they need the fans if they are to improve.. which club team they play for shouldn't come into it. But it's so typical of idiotic supporters in this country to overly criticise players depending on what club side they play for.. PATHETIC.