Yes

No. It's time for the existing players to play like they know they can.
There's nothing wrong with introducing a couple of young players in, Singleton & Ward would be my choices, but to just dump young players in regardless of whether they are ready for it is a recipe for disaster. I'd rather stick with the aged ones for another season or so thus giving the young players time to get ready, than chuck he youngsters in and possibly ruin them.

I think people underestimate the jump from reserves to 1st team. It's massive, and it has to be handled very carefully.

Brian?

Will you do one, shouldnt you be giving Sky a speech about how the players are hurting back there and there'll be alot of soul searching this week?

I dont think wholesale changes is the answer tbh and getting rid of most of the team because of their age isnt the answer.

We need a good blend of youth and experience. The likes of Peacock and Webb need to have a serious look in the mirror and pull their socks up. Its a honor to wear the Blue & Amber, so start playing like that and the younger lads will see that and take it on.

Something needs to change, but I just dont know what. Get rid of Mac and replace with whom? Its sad times really.

youth will not get a chance if we keep sending them to Wakey, London, Dewsbury, Widnes Etc, We will be down the the under 18's if we dont allow them 1st team game time - Look at Saints n Wigan. IN wigan;s case - their second team of forwards took us apart last week

I don't think we need to make too many changes but, we do need to inject some pace into the side both in the backs and the forwards. I'd keep Hardaker at FB and bring Keinhorst into the centre. Ward and Sinsgleton should come into the 17.

I'd also consider bringing Olds into the halves to see how he does as I though Sinfield was terrible in both defense and attack.

No you're right. Ignore what I just said, get rid of anyone over the age of 25 and stick every reserves player we have in the 1st team. That'll solve the problem.

Do you seriously think we should be replacing current first team regulars with reserves who haven't played a first grade game yet? Do you realise the difference between playing regular u20's and playing regular open age? Never mind regular u20's and regular SL.

A balance is essential. We have 2 centres, a second row and a winger learning their positions in the first team and a hooker out on loan learning his position. One or 2 more is fine. Many more and you're just asking for one or more of them to be ruined by being thrown in too early and you won't get any improvement in the team either.

Him summed this up perfectly.

The great side we've seen weren't just all thrown in together. They were integrated properly over a number of seasons.

Interesting you think kleinhurst should be integral to this side? As you don't know his name, have you actually seen him play?

Jimmy Kleinhorst - saw him in the nines on tuesday. One swallow does not make a summer, but it's worth blooding him - instead of Smithy and while Watkins is out

No one at 35 gets better but unless he gets significantly worse is Peacock a poorer option than other props we have, or are likely to sign?
To call the likes of Peacock and Kylie soft is verging on the clueless.

Remove "verging on" from your last sentence, and you've got it spot on

We cant make wholesale changes but we have a run of fixtures coming up that are "easier" than we have had of late...surely a great opportunity to blood some of the promising kids. Ill be at a loss with the set up down there if at least a few of singleton, ward, chisholm, hood, smith and keinhorst dont at least get a look in.

Unless players need resting from the exiles game, and not many should get in, I'd expect ward to get a run out of that lot, and possibly singleton, and that's it. I'll be at a loss if all those names appear any time soon

What surprises me is that for the last 7 or 8 years, the rest of us have been told about the wonderful Leeds youth policy... Where the f*** are they.. ? This is not a troll, its a serious question...

Not seen keinhorst but if Webb is out it would make sense to give him a chance if Hardaker covers fb

Who told you?

They're there. We're top of the league in the 18s and 20s. However, McDermott seems reluctant to give some of them a chance. He seems to have the same attitude towards youth as Brian Noble.

Thought Hardaker did OK at FB, although his passing on run to his left inparticular is shocking.

Im not saying throwing them all in at once, but why not try them out? Webb's injury may give an opportunity for chisholm on the wing and bjb to full back? Would that be worse than playing lee smith there? Dan Smith could have a slot on the bench easily enough and do a decent enough job at worst. Ok Keinhorst maybe not...but lets be honest here, we have one genuine centre who cant stay fit, so why not give him a couple of games and see what he can do? Maybe my misery and the pints are getting the better of me, but i just cant see any harm in blooding these guys now.

We keep sending them to Wakey, London, Dewsbury, Widnes Etc

......too many inc many on here seem to think it's the best for them and the club whilst we continue to rely/reward the has beens



Still....until we get a decent coach with a visible game plan and tactics it won't make much difference whichever 13 take the field.



Tonight we once again largely relied on individual brilliance.

Hark at him. Wigan produce a few players who don't end up at Huddersfield and its open season



Recently not many have made the transition-but neither has there been much space in the squad. BJB, Watkins, hall, clarkson, Mcshane plus burgess and scruton who rightly or wrongly moved on.

The WCC side still had 11 leeds academy players I think, it just most have been around for ages

There has to be a balance and whilst I occasionally find selections mystifying, they're a lot closer to mine than yours would be!

We should have seen youth coming through for the last few years but there seems to be lack of faith in their ability. I'm all for sending players out on loan if it's to gain experience which is then used when they return to Headingley, but we seem to send them to an abyss. Ambler and Amor should have had chances before signing Moore and Griffin. McShane should have had a run of games before signing Lunt. The youngsters need to get a chance to at least see if they can make the step up, and if not you know where the recruitment needs to be focused on at all levels.

Peacock has been off it, as had Kev, not because they're all of a sudden bad players. But they're fooked! We hardly see any rotation, only on the bench, and our big names have been giving everything for weeks and are starting to feel it. This is why we should have players to step in, but because they've been held back they're not ready. When the last batch came in they were getting the exposure which is lacking now.

God bless Daryl Powell

Ward, Singleton and Hood should all be getting regular first team action now in my opinion, with Keinhorst getting a shot too whilst Watkins is out. Chisholm may have to wait a little while yet, but BJB and Smith aren't exactly doing the job at the minute, though I guess it's hard for them when your forwards lay no platform at all...

I said before the game that I wouldn't pick kids against Wire. Given the result, I'd say that some senior players have now lost the right to automatic selection, and I think that given the opposition over the next few games, now is the time to try a few kids out for more than a single game off the bench. I'm not advocating wholesale changes, but if GH's words had absolutely no effect - possibly because the team is getting past it - then I think it's entirely right for BM to start to drop 'big names' who for whatever reason aren't delivering.

Many members of this team will leave Leeds as legends. Its up to them whether they want to see their reputations tarnished by either hanging on too long or taking the p*ss for far too many games.