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Can't even be bothered reading that. Nathan Brown seems to have something new to whinge about every week. When you whinge all the time, people stop taking any notice.

We all know how Brown is a man of his word



So which Saints over seas players will he release next year?

Nathan Brown is a whining Aussie coach of a little SL club....but MacNamara is also a pretty clueless coach, way out of his depth...so meh

WTF does international rugby league have to do with Nathan Brown anyway?

No mention of that fair dinkum Aussie James Tamou then?

Using Brown's own analogy, what about a cow that gets taken to live with ducks at an early age? If it starts to quack instead of moo, does that mean it's no longer a cow? Maybe Brown should stop thinking about zoology and concentrate on teaching his teams to win in August and September?

Isnt the example of Henderson wrong, he was born in Torquay.

I acctually agree with him,but he whinges so you cant take him seriously and the Aussies have been doing this for years (Civonaciva Hayne Tony Williams) as have the Kiwis with our own Brent Webb

Not a fan of him but I think he's spot on here. As for comparing what we've done to the Aussies, to me there's a massive difference between us selecting players who've grown up, been coached and learned to play the game in Australia (Heighington) or New Zealand (Chase) and what the Aussies do as most/all of their 'foreigners' have come through the Australian system and learned the game there. I also don't think Reed or Henderson should play for England for the same reason - they're Australian as far as I'm concerned regardless of where they were born - Australian is the background, culture and way of life they know and they have been produced by the Australian schools/coaching system. Also, Civoniceva and Tamou don't opt to play for Australia because they wouldn't get in their own national sides which is, frankly, why we saw Chase and Heighington running out for England last year.

So one of the reasons Chase isn't English is because he calls people 'bro'?

Might I suggest you read the blog in the link provided by John D earlier up the page.

Then, if you can present a more rational argument to support your view we can move on with the discussion.

Until then, your gibberish is barely worthy of a response, no offence intended.

The only bit i agree with is regarding Chase and heighton, they have no right playing for england and as you say are only doing it to play inyernational RL.

I cannot agree with this idea that Training, playing in Australia, even when Born in England means you should not play for england. Where you are born IMO is the most important part, they will have been brought up with knowledge of where they came from.

The other problem of course, which goes against my "its where you are born" belief is Brough, Harrison and Carvell, Mcillorum and Bridge once you have represented one nation you should not be allowed to change simply because you became good enough to play for a better country. You shouldnt want too and I respect Lee Briers for that

As I've said before how do we expect the likes of Wales, Scotland and Ireland to improve if their best players can opt to play for England. Maybe thats why we should play as GB

We should stop giving a sh*t about Wales etc. They will never be competitive. Wales barely were when RL had the pick of Welsh RU backs to choose from.

It stuns me that people get on such a high horse about international qualifications. If England were as dominant as Australia I'd understand (a bit), but to say that RL shouldn't play by the same rules as other sports (where this issue barely raises an eyebrow) and we really need to at least be competitive is nonsensical.

This.

Brown usually finds something petty to have a rant about so if he ever does have a genuine valid point to make, folk just think "there he goes again".

That must make him a bit of a then

What he should have said was "If it looks like a cake, tastes like a cake then it is a cake" we would have been 100% behind him! But ducks?? Nah.

Yes they do. One of Heighington's parents is from England - not even using grandparents here - while Chase satisfied the residency qualification.
If it's the rules you don't like, then make a reasoned argument about why that is and what proposals you'd suggest as an alternative. Then we might get somewhere.

Okay, I believe the rule should be you can only represent england if you were born in England, or under the current ancestry rules, if you have not already chosen to represent another country.

You are right too much of this is targeted at individuals, including Mcnamara, when it is the system that needs to change

So Heighington you don't have a problem with now?

Other questions:
What if your nationality changes to that of a nation you were not born in? What about people with dual nationalities? What about the fact that representing GB and Scotland was not previously a problem, at a time when you may have made an initial decision about representation, but now if you want to play eltie international rugby you have to declare for England? Is it fair to penalise people who make a decision based on one set of rules only to see those rules change later in life?

(not picking on you as an individual btw. Just using you to highlight that this really isn't as simple as 'you were born there, play for them')

GB and Scotland is a null argument as qualification for both is the same. GB is made up of Scotland, Wales, England, whilst the addition of 'and Ireland' has manged to include that island too.
The biggest issue for me is the representing one country being followed by changing allegiance to another. That is the place to start tightening up the rules in my opinion.

Firstly I would be all for a return to GB for smaller comps eg four nations, only splitting into Scotland Ireland Wales England for the World Cup. this would prevent alot of the problems IMO.

I understand wanting to play top level RL, but I think the likes of Brough made their descision based on the fact they never thought they'd make the england team and therefore it is their own fault. we are far removed from the GB team so you cannot blame a rule change, however as previously stated perhaps going back to GB is the best course of action.

It is a very complex issue which everyone has different opinions on. However the real problem is these people who change allegiance are often stopping proper young british talent from playing at international level, and that is a shame

Agreed. Remaining as GB for the comps that are not the WC would solve the problem.

Your second point I also agree with, you should not be allowed to change allegiance. You cant change what it says in your passport because you feel like it can you?

At any cost? Beware unintended consequences, one of which in this case, I suggest, is that doing that risks the future of Scotland, Wales, Cook Islands etc etc by making it extremely hard for them to find players.