Without pandering to BM's balls up midweek, we got the performance but not the result.

I'm waiting for the deluge of forward pass threads, but I don't think that incident matters - I personally don't think we got the rub of the green, but I can't blame Wigan for that. Their defence was impressive, but so was ours and I think we pulled off the 3 man tackle quite well.

Burrow, Webb, Ablett, McGuire and Smith had good games. Hardaker looked impressive yet calm, and with a top class centre might have had a bit more room to work with. BJB backed up Tuesday's display of pace by doing Richards on the outside and putting in an altogether good performance.

I want BM gone as much as anyone else, but I think we will make the 8 and cause some teams problems. Unfortunately that will probably earn him another year.

He should play the same back 5 next week. Wonder if he will though?

BJB was fantastic as well.

Agree with most of that. Don't think Burrow was very good though: lost a lot of defensive linespeed and intensity when Buderus went of, and drive and organisation in attack. Not his fault, but Rob is just not equiped to play as a go-forward hooker. It was while he was on the pitch that Wigan dominated us. McShane would have offered more as a bench hooker.

Webb was good. Ablett was good. BJB looked really, really dangerous but needed more ball. Kylie had his best game for some time. Kirke did some decent things for a change in his time on the field, but don't think he played a minute of the second half?

Also, Wigan didn't play very well, IMO.

So BMcD got his wish. Better performance but no win. Can't say I'm that delighted with that, and I hope he's not either.

If the team is capable of that level then it should produce it more often, the coach and players have to take a big look at themselves and ask what it means to them to be a part of Leeds RLFC because if that quality doesn't show itself every week they should be on their way out

i doubt he's delighted but it's certainly preferable to playing awful and winning.

I was surprised how poor Wigan's kicking game was. How many times did Webb take it on the full?

Burrow looked eager and he (and Ablett) made sure we went in leading at half time.

BJB looks like a real star and his pace is unbelievable.

Better performace, but no win. Better but not happy. Regarding the forward pass the only thing annoying me is the sky team. They are harping on about if the cameras were not there we might have been given the mags try. That for me was the correct decision no try, but the obvious forward pass seems to have been forgotten

The first 10 minutes after half time loss us the game. Yeah the first try came from a forward pass which should of been picked up by the touch Judge who was in line with it. But if we had been more alert at the kick off somebody would of been under the ball to take it on the full. Its the best Ive seen us play in a while but still think MD and his side kick need to go. I dont know what is said at half time but we always seem to come out with our heads in the clouds

cack

Thought team played better with burrows on. Need new coaching staff asap. Bradford bringing the club down from within.

Good pass from Burrow for the try but I wouldn't single him, McGuire or Smith out for having good games. McGuire and Webb made some bad errors that took the edge off their good contributions. Webs forward pass and back chat gave them the position to score and he missed the high kick off which led to their forward pass try. And Mcguire at times was doing a good impression of Senior with his defensive gaffs.

For me JJB worked his socks off and yet again our defensive lapses were when Buderus was off. Delaney was a big success in the 2nd row. Both young wingers did well.

Fatty Lauatiiti was a waste of a place and must be going to the same pie shop as Smith.

Agree - He must have said something along the lines of "You're doing well, and it doesn't matter if we win". He should have said something to keep the adrenaline pumping!!!

Still feel they need to go, and I want the players to put in the same effort for the rest of the season.

I also want video ref at every game, Touch judges to get a grip of their job description a cleaner ruck and Iestyn Harris off the tele.

....one thing at a time.

We lost by 2 points.

Do the maths!

I think they got the rub of the green - 2 unseen knock ons in as many tackles in the first half is evidence of that. But what does complaining about the officials achieve? Nothing.

This game does not make or break our season.

The effort was there and we looked a bit more potent in attack, but we still look poorly coached to me. Our attacking choreography is e. We hit the man in the second phase far too deep, giving the defence time to slide. It also seems to be our only attacking play, going both ways.

Webb was mostly good, but he does frustrate me! Lazy forward pass followed by penalty for dissent. I don't like the way he looks to hand on to the winger as a first option. Hardaker is the quickest man on the field, but also stick like, so don't bottle it and let him take on the kick chasers, unless he's in a better position than you.

Ablett was good but is not going to be a top class attacking centre, passed too early and put Zak up a blind alley 3 times in the second half alone.

McGuire started to take them on in the second half, he is still clearly protecting that knee though, and has lost another yard of pace. The McGuire of 2004 would have walked under the posts after collecting that kick early in the first half.

I was impressed by our players attitude and will to win, but Wigan's raising of the intensity eary in the second half just about did enough for them. We used to play with that level of intensity about 2 years ago. Now we are passive in defence much of the time, we need a big hit merchant in the Ellis, Eastwood sort of mould I reckon.

Ah, so in a game that we lose by 2 points, a wrong decision by the officials that cost us 6 points doesn't bother you?

That sounds less like a supporter, and more like a referee with a vested interest in deflecting criticism from incompetent officials.

Improved performance but far from good, but I suppose you can't expect to go from awful to perfect in a week. BJB is going to be a great player but still a worry under the kick. Hardaker obviously is far from perfect due to his age, he took his chances well and with time and experience he will be great. Webb was good in attack but his forward pass and bad mouthing typified him. Smith looks like he doesn't care, apart from his half-break he looked slow and half-hearted. I thought Ablett was mixed, a bad pass and didn't distribute greatly to Hardaker. Sinfield, McGuire, Delaney and JJB played well. I believe Ali tries hard but it just does not come of for him anymore.

I thought the team selected today was far better. Two fast wingers and McGuire were crucial. Also Delaney at second row and Burrow replacement hooker are more appropriate. I thought attack we went well, less one out and more behind balls, but we struggled to distribute further than the wingers and when we did it was poor. I think we went one up a bit too much occassionally. I think Wigan got the rub of the green but I believe someone should have been ready for Richards kick offs as he went for the same place everytime. I still think our defence is weak and easy to get through and the wingers struggled with the high ball.

Same starting thirteen next week unless Hall or Watkins come back into contention.

Unlike many on here, I never thought for one minute Leeds would get hammered tonight and expected a close game instead. Wigan are a biggest club with the highest profile and it's not unusual for other teams of a lesser standing like Leeds to raise their game against them by treating it like it's their Cup Final.

We had 80 minutes and numerous sets to win it. We didnt.

Whilst Alibert and co were clearly awful, we didnt win because we didnt score enough point. It was a close game, sometimes those decisions go for you, sometimes against, when we were champions we made sure they didnt matter.

C'mon Keith, you can do better. This is more half-d than Leeds were against Bradford.

As I understand you're a ref...what did you make of the decision not to sin bin STomkins in the first half...most blatant professional foul I've seen in years (he was pinged for not being square but in fact he never even attempted to get on the right side of the PTB!!)

Not sure what your on about there ^^ but we certainly have raised our game against them twice this season, and only come away with a point. I'm not getting overly excited about our improvement tonight, because we put in a better performance against them at home and have been crap for the rest of the season since.

If only you had told us Jeff.....we wouldn't have worried as much!

The RFL instruct referees to issue a yellow for professional fouls.

You have to understand we are dealing with Thierry here