Muzza leaves, Lance in - what are your thoughts, reflections and overall view on his tenure at the club?

That great win in the Challenge Cup vs Saints in 2000, then the hammering at home from Bradford, then the 13 consecutive wins - seems to be a real mixed bag. Why did it never work out for him here?

still having nightmares over it.
terrible coach terrible choice, we had a great assistant coach in Damien Mcgrath, who was instrumental in pulling the players out of the mire. when McGrath left (lost forever to union) he did not mix his words about lance and what the players thought of him. he (lance) should have been shown the door after 1 season not two and a half. put the club back 2-3 seasons. i am hoping the sticking with McDermott another season does not prove to be the same.

Didn't McGrath go on to become joint head coach of Warrington with David Plange?

The Paul Stering saga! Not played because of the colour of his skin, what he accused Lance of anyway, oblivious to the fact there were black players regularly picked by Lance

More than anything I was **d off with Murray. He joined on a 4 year contract and bailed halfway through with the job he promised not completed. And Morley went with him.

It seems fine when some Australians want out of a contract but others get a 90 page thread.

Quite.

I sincerely hope there's no unconscious racism whatsoever in play WRT the way Segeyaro is being treated differently.

the sterling saga was a strange one, as i remember it, sterling approached lance and asked him why he was not being selected and what did he need to do to win favor, , lance stated that he would not be picked regardless of form/performance, sterling asked him if it was the color of his skin and lance would not give an answer. anyway when lance was asked in court what his experience of afro Caribbean players was, his answer was he had none as "those boys played basketball" as sweeping generalization that did not go down well in a Uk court, and the court ruled in favor of Sterling saying Lance was guilty inadvertent institutionalized racism (or there about).

He was offered the coaching gig because he had a SL contract and GH saw it as a way of saving money!!

Terrible coach who dropped Sinfield for the 2000 CC final so a players whose wife was his wife's best friend could get a game.

Also brought Paul Bell over who lasted all of 6 weeks!!

Way out of his depth who should have gone much earlier imo.

GH's original target for replacing Graham Murray (whose salary was also paid for by SL Australia) was John Lang (another contracted to SL Australia) but was turned down. Lance was the only other SL Australia contracted coach out of a job after Adelaide Rams were shunted, but at least he came cheap

Was always led to believe he was of the main reasons Harris became so disillusioned with life at Leeds.

The Dean Lance era was the most miserable time to be supporting Rhinos in Super League up until 2006.

as I have said before, my mate was media training officer back then. he told me it was the other players who didn't want sterling in.

Met him in a pub the day after he was sacked, he wasn't very happy

Hives

It was during Dean Lance's first months in charge that I realised what a bunch of dicks a large number of fellow Leeds fans were. The booing of Keith Senior and then of Lance when his face appeared on the screen at Headingley was mindless and pathetic.

I remember the fifth of those opening league games, the heavy defeat at Warrington, when to the young me it seemed like the world was ending. But the following round we finally won and, although there were a few more bumps in the road like the Utu game and the slightly unfortunate cup final loss, the epic winning run began shortly afterwards with, I think, a win over Wigan.

Lance was a coach placed in an invidious position who suffered from a really terrible opening. Like McDermott, he got all the blame when things went wrong and it was the players ignoring the coach or playing for themselves when they won. The Sterling thing was something of a tragedy for him; my reading of it then and now was that he simply told Sterling he was never going to be picked and should find a new club - something lots of coaches tell players, never mind ones who are 36 years old. The basketball comment floored him however, notwithstanding the judgement's description of him as "an honourable man".

His qualifications for the job were good and he came well recommended but ultimately it didn't work out. He did, however, oversee the initial transition from the Murray team, which clearly had no future, to the Golden Generation team and his record doesn't seem quite so awful in retrospect.

I think you're extrapolating too far there. But I do wish people would let it go. Maybe because we were so desperately awful last season and he was the embodiment of hope.

One of the most pathetic posts ever made on this forum.

Graham Murray didnt sign a 4 year deal. In fact he was contracted to Super League. Which was one of the reasons Leeds didnt extend his deal which led Murray accepting the North Sydney Bears job.

He was a fantastic bloke, a great coach and did a truly great job for Leeds. I was lucky enough to get to know Muzza well in his time at Leeds and even met him a few times after he had left the club. He was without doubt one of the greatest blokes ive ever come across.

On the subject of Lance.............my blood still boils!!!

You can of course always lance a boil.

Or boil a Lance.

It wasn't the fault of the coach or player that Bell got injured though. Although I'm not sure if he's been fit he would have been an adequate replacement for Godden, in the same way David Barnhill didn't effectively replace Morley.

I think it's unlikely there's any unconscious racism at play in this instance but they are definitely playing hardball with a player whose behaviours signal some mental health issues in play. I thought McDermott's "Man-Up" public tirade against Segeyaro displayed ignorance and a lack of class as well.

If the club management don't let this go, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of several players in future having reservations about signing for Leeds.

That's a definite possibility. We may already have that rep.

Am i right in remembering that Murray recommended Millward to replace him but GH went for Lance? Seem to remember Millward did quite well at Saints...

Mmm if I remember correctly Ian Millward's end at Stains,and Wigan wasnt too glorious.If Brian Mc behaved in the same manner at a press conference he'd be lynched by the mob on here.