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| Just looking at all the past winners. Quite incredible that Cas have won it 3 times since we last did in 1998. During which time they have won absolutely feck all. Even Hudds have won it twice during the same period. Not forgetting Saints 6 times.
Maybe it's because we have a lot of one club men who don't collect votes from pals as they move from club to club? Bizarre really.
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| Quote ="tony1983"Just looking at all the past winners. Quite incredible that Cas have won it 3 times since we last did in 1998. During which time they have won absolutely feck all. Even Hudds have won it twice during the same period. Not forgetting Saints 6 times.
Maybe it's because we have a lot of one club men who don't collect votes from pals as they move from club to club? Bizarre really.'"
Could be
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| Tbf I can understand in a way, I know people go on about Sinfield not winning but his story has been more about his career than a single season and stepping up in certain big games rather than week after week after week performances.
Thinking back to some of best performers of the year, Matt Diskin was very good in 2004 but didn't win. Perhaps because we were so dominate as a team that year it actually hinder him.
Cuthbertson definitely represents one of the best chances we've had for a player to win it since Harris. Looking back at past winners recently then it's usually a pivot position that wins it but I think the leading contenders surely this year have to be forwards (Walmsley another that springs to mind)
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Tbf I can understand in a way, I know people go on about Sinfield not winning but his story has been more about his career than a single season and stepping up in certain big games rather than week after week after week performances.
Thinking back to some of best performers of the year, Matt Diskin was very good in 2004 but didn't win. Perhaps because we were so dominate as a team that year it actually hinder him.
Cuthbertson definitely represents one of the best chances we've had for a player to win it since Harris. Looking back at past winners recently then it's usually a pivot position that wins it but I think the leading contenders surely this year have to be forwards (Walmsley another that springs to mind)'"
Sinfield was by far and away the best player, probably in World rugby, I think it was the year Farrell got it. He was also the best player the year Roby got it. Other than that I agree.
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| This year for example, I reckon we have had a lot of stand out performers. I think Liam Farrell said in his column this week that his 3 votes went to Watkins, Hardaker and Peacock. Cuthbertson not even mentioned. That's great that they are all Leeds players, but they may end up splitting the vote. Other clubs seem to have 1/2 obvious candidates.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Sinfield was by far and away the best player, probably in World rugby, I think it was the year Farrell got it. He was also the best player the year Roby got it. Other than that I agree.'"
Problem for Sinfield though is that often his performances can go under the radar (the little things he does) a bit compared to a Roby making a load of breaks from dummy half. That Cuthbertson represents the best chance of a forward getting it in a while.....and he's had to absolutely smash the offloading record by a mile to do it tells you the mindset when voting.
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| Sinfield should've won it in 2005, despite Jamie Lyon's exploits, and despite a hand injury which made him miss around 5 weeks of the season.
There were also about 5 Leeds players more deserving than Panface in 2004, too. But, they didn't play half a game with a broken nose so, they never stood a chance. Sinfield should've won it in 2009 as well, instead of Hodgson.
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Quote ="Gotcha"Sinfield was by far and away the best player, probably in World rugby, I think it was the year Farrell got it. He was also the best player the year Roby got it. Other than that I agree.'"
Best player when Roby won it was between Roby and Barrett, i'd even say Barrett deserved it over Roby.
This year it should be between Cuthbertson, Hardaker and Walmsley. Most people would agree on those 3 this year. Walmsley doesn't even get a mention on here.
www.totalrl.com/cuthbertson-deem ... teel-2015/
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Quote ="Gotcha"Sinfield was by far and away the best player, probably in World rugby, I think it was the year Farrell got it. He was also the best player the year Roby got it. Other than that I agree.'"
Best player when Roby won it was between Roby and Barrett, i'd even say Barrett deserved it over Roby.
This year it should be between Cuthbertson, Hardaker and Walmsley. Most people would agree on those 3 this year. Walmsley doesn't even get a mention on here.
www.totalrl.com/cuthbertson-deem ... teel-2015/
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| Hardaker I'm not sure on. Don't get me wrong he's had a very good year (Dream Team FB should be nailed on), but for most of the year most people on here would've had their Leeds top 3 as Cuthbertson/Ward/Aiton in some order. His 1st half of the season was good but not MOS good.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Hardaker I'm not sure on. Don't get me wrong he's had a very good year (Dream Team FB should be nailed on), but for most of the year most people on here would've had their Leeds top 3 as Cuthbertson/Ward/Aiton in some order. '"
I don't know about that. Ward has had a very good season but I'd definitely have Cuthbertson/Hardaker/Aiton as my 1/2/3.
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| Well, imo if Cuthbertson doesn't win it by a margin this year there is something wrong.
In previous years, although you would have expected at least one winner during our glory period, you could still make a case for the actual winner.Not this year.
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| Quote ="SecondRowSaint"This year it should be between Cuthbertson, Hardaker and Walmsley. Most people would agree on those 3 this year. Walmsley doesn't even get a mention on here.'"
^^This.
I watch Cuthbertson and Hardaker every week but what I've seem of Walmsley this season, he's been immense.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"There were also about 5 Leeds players more deserving than Panface in 2004, too. But, they didn't play half a game with a broken nose so, they never stood a chance. Sinfield should've won it in 2009 as well, instead of Hodgson.'"
That's the one I was probably thinking of rather than Roby, the year Hodgson got it.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"^^This.
I watch Cuthbertson and Hardaker every week but what I've seem of Walmsley this season, he's been immense.'"
With the possible exception ofl last Friday when Leeds have gone head to head with Saints this year it's been the dynamic running, offloading and organising of Cuthbertson that's stood out. Walmsley had minimal impact.
The extra dimension Cuthbertson offers sets him apart for me. Long time since we have seen a player do what he does.
If Leeds finish top of the pile and add to the CC win it will be another slap in the face if the award goes to any other club.
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| MoS since 2013 is decided based on a player's vote, which creates a shortlist.
That shortlist is reviewed by a five-man panel (two representatives from the players' union, two members of the media and a retired former MoS winner), who make the final decision.
So while having the respect of your peers as a player is essential to getting on the shortlist, the fact there's an ex-pro and two journos on the panel could still mean there's a winner comes out of left-field.
Given the minutes played, durability and impact this season, I'd expect Cuthbertson to at least make the shortlist. However, much like the Sky man of the match usually goes to a half or a hooker because of Stevo's obsession with those positions, that's no guarantee those not currently playing the game will have the same respect for his abilities.
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| Would be a fitting end to a stellar career if JP took the honour
Probably up there if the ever voted for Super League all time 'Man of Steel'
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| Quote ="Sherbert Dip"Would be a fitting end to a stellar career if JP took the honour
Probably up there if the ever voted for Super League all time 'Man of Steel''"
Has been unbelievable the last 3 years i agree for a man of his age, He could have easily got the nod any of those seasons. He has been good this year too but not quite on the level of a few others.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Well, imo if Cuthbertson doesn't win it by a margin this year there is something wrong.
In previous years, although you would have expected at least one winner during our glory period, you could still make a case for the actual winner.Not this year.'"
If Walmsley gets it ahead of him that would be acceptable IMO even though I think it should be Cuthbertson. Anybody other than that would be wrong.
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| Can see it going to Roby
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"Can see it going to Roby'"
And isn't their a rule that means O'Loughlin HAS to be the shortlist regardless even if he's only played 2 games all season through injury? Usually seems the case.
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| It has seemed that way but I'm betting that's down to his standing in the game.
For me it has to be Cuthbertson. Walmsley had been great, Hardaker has been fantastic but no one player has done to a team what Cuthbertson has to Leeds, this season .
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"And isn't their a rule that means O'Loughlin HAS to be the shortlist regardless even if he's only played 2 games all season through injury? Usually seems the case.'"
You have it wrong. I can't say I remember him making the MOS short list. However, his selection at loose forward in the dream team seems to be automatic regardless of how many games he misses.
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| I think it will be between Cuthbertson and Walmsley as they have both played good rugby that gets the headlines. Whereas the likes of Ward does so much of the hard unsung stuff that doesn't make the headlines but IMO his contribution to Leeds this year has been not so far behind Cuthbertson.
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| I think Cuthbertson has been a revelation of a signing. But I also think his performances have come as a consequence of Aiton. Only got to see the performances since Aiton was out to see that. Hopefully we recruit the right replacement, to ensure we see the same of Cuthbertson going forward.
The question is did he do enough before Aiton was out to get the votes. Walmsley on the other hand, I don't think has put in as many good performances as Cuthbertson, but he has maintained it at the right time, and can it be said his performances have come off the back of someone else, or is he the reason for Saints staying in touch.
I think Cuthbertson has done the classier work, but I also agree with Andy Gilder previously, that the best man doesn't always get it as the final decision comes down to some that in reality do not see some of the performances of the shortlist in question. And not only that they also may vote with the heart, instead of where it should be for what they are deciding.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I think Cuthbertson has been a revelation of a signing. But I also think his performances have come as a consequence of Aiton. Only got to see the performances since Aiton was out to see that. Hopefully we recruit the right replacement, to ensure we see the same of Cuthbertson going forward.
The question is did he do enough before Aiton was out to get the votes. Walmsley on the other hand, I don't think has put in as many good performances as Cuthbertson, but he has maintained it at the right time, and can it be said his performances have come off the back of someone else, or is he the reason for Saints staying in touch.
I think Cuthbertson has done the classier work, but I also agree with Andy Gilder previously, that the best man doesn't always get it as the final decision comes down to some that in reality do not see some of the performances of the shortlist in question. And not only that they also may vote with the heart, instead of where it should be for what they are deciding.'"
I see the point about Aiton because I've said for a long time this year that would either of them had as good a year without the other. However Cuthbertson has only played 2 league games since Aiton's injury (Wigan and Saints at home) and for the latter the whole team looked to have post Wembley hangover so perhaps a bit early to write off his form post Aiton.
As for Walmsley, would losing Roby from hooker for several weeks not have an effect? Also Walmsley limped off last night so who knows if he's going to miss some games now.
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