Scored his first ever try today as a full-time professional player.

Canberra Raiders - 24 appearances, 0 tries
Melbourne Storm - 32 appearances, 0 tries
Newcastle Knights - 39 appearances, 0 tries
Country Origin - 2 appearances, 0 tries
NSW Origin - 2 appearances, 0 tries
Leeds Rhinos - 10 appearances, 0 tries
Wigan Warriors - 5 appearances, 0 tries
Widnes Vikings - 13 appearances, 1 try

How can someone that poor play 95 games in the NRL - how does that happen?

Indeed.

It's just like someone as poor as McGuire registering as many international appearances as he has done despite being out of his depth and rubbish on each and every occasion - how did that happen?

Because of lack of credible options - simple really, he was the best we had?

Now back to Ben Cross - just answer the question.

A severe lack of competition and quality strengh in depth internationally? Even having to resort to poaching a NZ player who after playing for the exciles expressed his intention to play for his country (NZ) not being good enough then just settled for playing for england

Simple answer to a simple question - because you really don't need to be that good to play in the NRL. Ben Cross has proved that.

Anyway I wouldn't take much notice of Keith - he thinks that Tomkins is a "one trick pony". Shows what he knows about player performances.

Come on Keith spit it out

On the back of being coached by the best coach in the game for a while.

I agree though - a very ordinary player.

The Ryan Bailey of the NRL.

Got me mixed up with someone else there.

But if you want to do an impression of the SmokeyTA t, go for it

I disagree - Keith is one of the most knowledgable posters on here. He like all of us has clouded judgement on some issues that is all - most of his posts are not far off the mark

Good knowledge Keith. Being abit harsh on Danny though, he was class. Not saying that he is now but I don't think there is alot much better in his position in SL. Agree? Note I'm not saying he's not necessarily the best!

I disagree.

He's not especially knowledgable, certainly none more so than other posters like biff back and g1.

It's just keith picks on the idiots and spouts the painfully obvious to the point of nauseum.

Like someone with some obscure username and 112 posts since 2004 will pop and post something stupid, probably about how super league is on a par with the nrl. You read that and facepalm, and just think 'here we go'. Right on cue swiftcorn pops up with some elequent but patronising essay with facts and figures stating the opposite. Wow, thanks for relentlessly drilling home something we didn't already know. Oh how knowledgable.

GI and Danny - you struggle with reading?

I don't recall ever picking on you.

In fairness you're right, Keith lost alot of credibility for me when he went very quiet back end of last year when rhinos won the gf. Was amusing though!

Danny mcguire's record at international level is pretty good.

*attaches bait and casts the rod*

Keith has a very selective memory. He has repeatedly said something then disappeared for a while, only to reappear later with no knowledge of his previous statements.

...just like when he said Tomkins was a "one trick pony".

13 posts by me on Oct 9th 2011 suggest you've mistaken me for someone else.

SmokeyTA didn't find any evidence of me referring to Tomkins as a one-trick pony, so I'm assuming you have?

So where is that evidence LS16 Fat Boy Rich?

You attaching bait and casting the rod is akin to wearing lycra and getting a stiffy down at the gym isn't it?

Lycra James?

I guessing you've must have forgotten. That'll be the selective memory I was talking about Agent Provocateur Keith Swiftcorn Jeff

Nope, that's not evidence of me having said it either Bannie Boy

It's Banny with a Y not IE.

But who needs evidence really? If you keep saying something repeatedly at least a few will believe it.

Aint that right "one trick pony" boy?

If you keep repeatedly saying I've said that enough times, I'm sure you will believe it. And yes, a few ts at least will also believe it.

I knew who TVOC was referring to yesterday.

SmokeyTA thought he did

Keith, haven't got time to check records etc now but I probably will soon! Either way, love the knowledge but love it even more when you're proven wrong and you never hold your hands up and take it on the chin. It's funny.