Poor performance tonight made a very average side look good. We're halfway through the season and we have only won one game more than we have lost. Think a top 4 Finish is beyond us now. And I car'nt see us winning from 5th or less again

My mistake won 7 lost 5 still not good enough. On paper we have an easier second half of season but not afford to lose more than a couple or were out of it

I don't think we were bad, just hull very good.

I think we were fairly poor, hull were alot better and did good but that was not a good Leeds performance, especially in defence

The 5 losses. Wigan away, saints away, bradford away, hull away, hudds at home.

Bar bradford, all those teams are battling round the top 4 and any away game at a top 4 side you will do well to win.

Of the top teams we've played at home, we've beaten warrington and catalans but lost to hudds.

Look at some of those losses. Wigan away was the week before the WCC, it was also the week after wigan had lost their first game to hudds so they were highly motivated to win. Saints away, no team in super league would have been able to beat them the way they played that night. Bradford away they were potentially playing their last ever game (as some would have us believe) by hook or by crook they'd have that game.

The long winded point is, bar the manner of defeat to saints no loss has been especially unacceptable or worrying or anything out of the ordinary. Just circumstances.

We'll be there or thereabouts at the end of the season.

It was far from dire.

We were outenthused by a Hull side coming off a 2 week break.

We played in tough conditions in an elimination match which went down to the wire 6 days ago.

Top 4 is still up for grabs.

I'd be surprised if Hull or Catalans ended up there which leaves 4 from 5.

They are also far from average. A decent, well organised side, who look very well coached. There pack would compete with most in SL

The defence was below par but the team was battered by a very agressive hull pack which put them on the back foot.

Remember we were well in the game and threatening a comeback until a couple of late tries added gloss to the scoreline.

Also, how encouraging is it for SL to have 7 sides who are genuinely able to beat each other at the top

Yeah, this is why, when you play away at these teams you have to play on top of your game to win. You go into these games with a key player outor slightly off you will get beaten and this is what has happened.

The likes of wigan and huddersfield have gone into some of these games and played at their best and this is why they are near the top.

You'd be surprised if Catalans made the four?

Hull played well , figured out how to beat us . Deserved the win . Well done to them . End of FAHCT .
Was a very good game . Lots of dodgy decisions and non-decisions for both sides , but none that would have affected the result (apart from maybe the forward pass ) .

I changed my opinion on them on their performance at Headingley too weeks ago. They were distinctly average and I think they'll lose too many games in England to finish above either Saints or Leeds who will probably compete for fourth.

Right now I'd predict:

Wigan
Wire
Hudds
Saints
Leeds
Catalans
Hull
Someone not deserving of being in the play offs.

Looking at that, 5th place might be a decent option which highlights why our play off system doesn't work as well as the NRL one.

When your forwards are getting dumped on their s, there is never going to be a platform for your backs. Subsequently, most of our plays, (Danny M's try apart) were laboured and predictable, and the least said about our tackling techniques the better.

I'm glad I didn't waste £25 to travel and watch that nonsense.

Thought Hull were the better team all round tonight.
We didn`t handle their forwards and they were beating us out wide too often.
Thought their hooker Houghton out played our new superstar!
Webb needs to stop acting like a spoilt kid every time he plays.
JP played well as did JJB.
For me our forwards looked well tired which is no surprise.
Not many options to swap them round either.
Well done Hull thoroughly deserved the win tonight.

I think we lacked a lot of organisation in attack, the last 15 mins summed that up, twice Kylie made breaks with no support and i'm pretty sure i also saw Richard Moore making a run from dummy half.
I lost count of the number of times we were or almost were guilty of obstruction in attack because of poorly timed runs from support players.
As good as Hull played i think we were guilty of beating ourselves at times tonight, after both our 2 tries in the first half we coughed up possesion in are own half which lead to Hull tries.

I know he's still learning the position but Hardaker butchered a basic two on one overlap in the 18th minute. An almost certain four points went begging there and the almost only refers to the quality of the pass and catch as Hull were powerless to prevent the score.

Hull were fairly comfortably the better side on the night but it was still a game Leeds could have won despite that.

How did you all view Ablett on Manu in the first half? Manu got penalised for slamming Ablett's head into the ground but on the replay, there was a stray finger in Manu's eye. Hard to judge intent, but it did seem a rather strange thing to do - it's not as if he was trying to push Manu away.

I wouldn't be overly critical. Leeds played their part in a very enjoyable game tonight. Some you win, some you lose.

Well stop beating about the bush, we all know you mean 'what do we think about the gouge', and it certaintly looked like one to me and a ban should be coming his way. Can understand why the ref didn't see it as from the first replay from the end Hull were defending you can only see Manu's reaction but the second replay from the other side shows it clearly, he seems to feel around Manu's face until he get to the eye. Not good at all.

Absolutely agree. The Peacock Smith Webb move [uwas[/u a def try.....but Leeds have benefited many times in the past from forward passes (perhaps even their first given try).

Good game spoiled by a whistle happy ref

No idea what Ablett was attempting there. One perhaps for the video review panel to have a look at? Manu's reaction was understandable.

The NRL system isn't great either and has the potential some daft fixtures. For instance if both 1st place & 3rd place lose in the first round, 1st could end up playing v 5th place whilst 3rd place could get to play v 7th. It's a strange system.

Well I only saw it once (in slow-mo) so I'm not really sure whether it was a gouge. I'm sure the RFL will decide in the week though. I honestly didn't think Ablett was that kind of player.

Takes a lot for many to retaliate like that so we thought able had done something, which having just watched it back there was.

How many games did hock get for it?