Now getting beyond a joke

Is our discpline that bad, or is there an agenda against us?

it's pretty bad.

Players ego's are bigger than their ability - this leads to frustration and the belief that they are 'allowed' to do and say what they want.

Smith, JJB and Ablett are 3 of the worst.

Bit of both. Ok not an 'agenda' against Leeds but I think we are often hard done by, just listening to Sinfield in the post-match interview on Sky showed his frustration at the inconsisten refereeing. I think a lot of the problem is we try to get clever penalties, ie running quickly from dummy half at non-square markers. We rarely get the penalties we deserve from these actions and this frustrates the players.

It's pathetic, Like Kevin Sinfield said the back chatting is something they have to improve on themselves but i agree with him when he said we seem to be getting punished for certain things where other teams seem to be not getting be pulled up on...
Carl Ablett is basically a Penalty Machine & A Gobe...

We normally deserve to be on the wrong end of it, but tonight the count was skewed a bit IMO. Carl Ablett got penalised for dissent, when all he was guilty of was laughing to himself! (admittedly the first time he deserved it)

At one point it was 10-1. Some of the penalties were so dumb as to begger belief (no way Ganson couldn't give some penalties), others were so bizarre they were unbelieveable also - Ablett marched 10 meters for laughing apparantly. Even the touch judge decided to come on and make a wrong decision.
In the end though, Leeds made so many mistakes they couldn't get any momentum or flow. Only our attacking skill and fitness (which looks excellent at the moment) saved us.

Ganson may be a total T@, but he doesn't miss tackles and he doesn't drop passes (although I wish he'd get in the way of Kylie on the charge just once).

To be fair to Ganson, it's difficult to pinpoint many he got wrong, Leeds discipline is v poor.

Leeds wouldn't have been in a position to win the game had Ganson spotted another infringement (Kylie's blatant ball steal).

Cracking game though and congrats, never say die stuff - great to watch.

Still think we arent as bad as been painted, the one when peacock supposedly stuck his foot out and penalised us is one that immediately springs to mind and a couple of knock ons which he penalised for ball steals thought were wrong calls.

I know we need referees but i dont know of any good ones!

Why was Burgess penalised for actually attempting to complete a tackle?
Why was Senior penalised for a high tackle?
Why did Ganson allow the Wakefiled defenders to carry Ablett off the ground into touch then penalise Leeds moments later (admittedly the dumbest play I've seen from Leeds all year)?
Why was Ablett penalised for obstruction (you normally have to blatantly flatten a kick chaser)?
Forward pass to Hall in the first half when he was clean away - flat pass but Ganson blew every time the crowd asked?

There were plenty he got wrong, but as I've said on other posts, that doesn't excuse a 50% completion ratio and some fairly ordinary kick defence.

Here here to that post!!

You can see why the team gets frustrated with so many inconsistancies(sp) like you have pointed out.

Can't argue with any of that DHM hopefully ablett and jjb's pay is lighter this week because everyone knows what you get with ganson yet do the same stupid stuff when he refs!

The win glosses over a very poor performance. A lot of basic errors, forcing the ball and poor control of the ruck.We looked poorly coached for much of the game.

Cant be too disappointed with the victory but with 8 minutes to go I was abslutely fuming with how we'd played.

Would like to see the calls from Ganson again as I didnt think they were as bad as Leeds fans made out.

They have to put it behind them, but you could see from Sinny that it's getting very frustrating. We are actually one of the cleaner sides at the PTB, we do a lot of restling with the man off the ground but usually clear the ruck once the man is tackled very quickly.
But the main problem tonight was mistakes. Fumbles at key moments and then poor organisation in defence - especially when Burges, Diskin and Worrall are near each other - we leave big holes. Obst's try was a clear example of this, Burrow was isolated and had 5 yards clear space on either side of him in the defensive line right on our try line.
This is not a reffing issue.

I nearly cried when Lauatiti only had to pick the ball up to score and he bloody knocked it on

Because he didn't shout held for the Wakey one but he very clearly did for the Leeds one (and Leeds just kept on carrying). I can't remember the other ones you mention but so far as I can remember I think there was only one decision Ganson made against you which was wrong. He missed a few that should have been against you and Wakey, and he got one wrong for Wakey also (a knock on which was actually an illegal steal by Leeds).

btw, one of your tries was off a forward pass. Even Stevo admitted it.

Oh the irony from a saints fan!!

reading some comments of the wakey board they feel Ganson lost them the match by giving US penalty's. We had 2!

Thanks for pointing out the obvious - the question of course is why he didn't call held when Ablett's feet were clearly off the ground. But then you knew that didn't you? You couldn't be so pig thick as to not know that, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there.

Interesting to hear Bluey's referring to Ganson as THAT MAN! It is quite obvious that he wants to wind the lads up by some calls and we should know he has a small man's syndrome and play him accordingly. Interesting that we have him everytime we get close to Stains or when we need to be brought back to the pack.

good grief

I might be wrong but I think we got 3.