......to make me think this season is not a lost cause.

We will all be frustrated by the error count, the ill-judged offloads to opposing players, the general sloppy play. But there were glimpses of quality Leeds play, particularly in the last 15. We look very much the side from last year (in terms of careless mistakes AND good passages of play) but I'm willing to put up with a similar campaign if it means we can try a few new players and combinations.

We were outplayed tonight by a Warrington team whose injury situation is not unlike our own. They seemed to get the rub of the green but they were by far the better side and worthy winners.

I was surprised that Rhys Evans got MoM, thought Myler or Briers would get it.

I couldn't give breirs it. His play acting is pathetic and should be in the premier league not super league. Having said that he did play well he just spoils it for me with things like diving when he isn't touched. By far the better team won tonight. It is going to be a long year. It's all very well saying it's a transition year for the players but it's alot of money to be shelling out not to even be entertained!

I'd agree, it's disappointing and we need to cut out the unnecessary mistakes and silly plays but considering we only had 2 props I'm not overly disheartened.

Going to try and be positive! The last try was well worked and abletts passing appears to have improved!!!

You're being a bit precious, he was fouled just hammed it up so the ref would see it.
Briers loves it, always has a cheeky look when he does it, he just plays smart there's no cheating if you're already fouled.

Would that be a player from the Warrington Youth System, that is basically the old Leeds Youth System that was allowed to move lock, stock and barrell to Cheshire a couple of years ago ?

Monaghan (Michael not dog botherer) should have been MoM.

There is JUST about enough, of the season left for us to rescue things....

We lost by 2 scores to Quins and 3 to wire the same amount of trys we gifted both teams in the respective games. cut out the daft uncalled for errors and we arnt far off even with our D been poor. Cut out the errors and daft play and work on the D and we are back in business. But we need to stop playing fancy dan stuff when we arnt in a position to do so. We want the magic without the graft. More graft required! 100% more!

We scored a lot at the end of both those games when we'd already lost. That definitely should not be allowed to put any gloss on the last two games.

Talking of Joel Monaghan, his performance once again begs the question; why didn't we sign him as a replacement for Senior?

I agree to a point but both those teams will be looking not to conceed at any point no matter how far infront. And teams know Leeds are never really out of a game. Plus it shows our lads played till the end when it would be easy for them and to our haters pleasure for the lads to give in.

There is a ton of work to do but it's not a lost cause, there is tons of real quality in that team.

time is on our side. I'm not happy about things or deluded. I just have faith in the lads, brain mac and GH to get it right.

We lost by 16 points, away from home, with a seriously injury ravaged squad (including 3 of the 4 SL standard props), to likely title contenders, in what was only our 4th match under an entirely new coaching structure.

Quick... let's sell all the players and sack the coach.

I wasn't! It was obvious he was going to get it. What Stevo does is pick his MoM in the first 20 minutes, then talks them up all game, pointing out anything remotely good they do. If you've ever watched a match knowing who the MoM is you'll REALLY notice how much he does it.

Don't get me wrong, the kid had a good game, as most of the Wire team.

Me & the Mrs now play a game, "Spot Stevo's MoM", it's a good laugh actually... you have to declare your "locked in answer" and you get however many minutes left on the clock in points. You'll normally find you can get it right only 20 minutes in! (That's a 60 pointer!!

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Forget about the score as it does not represent the game due to the blow out in our favour at the end when Warrington had already won comfortably and put the cue on the rack.

Focus on the performance and tell me if you are happy with that, or the other games already this season. We have some very fundamental problems at the moment, and whilst they can be fixed, I question if we can fix it by continuing playing in the same vein.

Oh I agree! We can fix it. But as you say we need to change the way we are playing. We are trying to do the fancy before we have earned the right by dominating other teams with the tough stuff and graft first!

Firstly, I don't fall for this... "The score doesn't represent the game" mumbo jumbo. Of course the score represents the game. The scores sole purpose of existing is as a means by which to graphically, statistically, and historically represent a game.

I'm not what you'd call "Happy" with the performance but I'm certainly not writing us off yet.

We were outplayed by a better team on Friday. It happens. Are Manchester United rubbish because they've lost to Chelsea & Liverpool?! No, they're still one of the best teams in the league, and will also probably still win the league.

Statistically we were beaten by 16 points in a game that we never looked like winning (even at 8-0 we had scored from our only opportunity when the Wolves had plenty of chances).

Why do you think that coaches go on about performance instead of score?

At work do you have a Performance review or a Score review once a year?

Performance is everything, get that right and you will win. At the moment our Performance leaves a lot to be desired.

You're begining to rival Rhinoms for his unwavering optimism and loyalty..... Leeds still have plenty of quality players but the fundamentals of good ball retention, completing sets and tackling seem to have deserted the team. How do you excuse that ?

you were poor on saturday for most of the match. i think that we did let our foot off the gas to let you get that high of score but there was little glimpses of what could be and this is the best time to play poor a lot of time to make up for it. good support at the hj as always and good luck! (not too much though)

At work they look at my billiing. If the billing is high enough they are happy. How hard or well I worked to get there isn't that important.

I'd imagine it's the same with you for sales.

In all jobs you're measured by results.

If your performance was not acceptable, do you think that the billing would remain at acceptable levels? If I didn't work hard enough to ensure that I have enough leads that convert into sales would I meet my budget?

Score (or results), regardless of how you measure it, is a function of performance.

You know me and I know you. Somehow we manage results with the least possible effort.

You can't excuse it. But BMc has nothing to do with Ali knocking on from the kick off does he?! That isn't 'Bad Coaching'. Nor is the poor completion rate, or error rate.

(This isn't singled out at you NE, I know you've said nothing specific against BMc, that I've read anyway).

It's not unwavering optimism, it's just that I believe my job as a SUPPORTER is to SUPPORT my team, not abandon them at a time when they most need the support. Everybody is quick to criticise Kirke (etc.) for 'not doing his job properly' but IMO the people constantly criticising, berating, and moaning about their team are just as much at fault for 'not doing their job properly' as the people they're moaning about are.

That's just the way I believe it should be. I'm not asking anybody else to subscribe to that.

I do, and I also find it somewhat ironic that you and I particularly are discussing the merits of performance and results on a thread titled "There's JUST about enough...."