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| Quote ="Gazemous"There is a difference between subjectivity and fact. This entire topic is subjective. That is fact.
I tried to discuss both systems honestly from what I knew about Castleford and perceived about Bradford. You decided to not just ignore the points I was making but deride them in some bizarre notion that I was challenging your point rather than just discussing the subject. This isn't about winning and losing, it's about discussing the subject, which is what a healthy forum is about. We have enough 'my dad is bigger than your dad' conversation on here as it is with Wakefield fans and the new stadium, we don't need Bradford fans bitter that their club is now a consistent lower table team on here giving it all that about some other area that Castleford are actually very strong in.'"
No it is not subjective, it is fact.
Bradford have produced more HG talent than Cas - Fact
Bradford have produced better HG talent than Cas - Fact
If you disagree, then prove otherwise, because I can sure as hell name a lot more Bradford produced players from the past 15 years, and I can sure as hell name a more high quality Bradford players than what Castleford have produced. |
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Anyway guys. Seen as though none of you are willing to accept my challenge, I think I'll leave it at that.
Bye..xx
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"No it is not subjective, it is fact.
Bradford have produced more HG talent than Cas - Fact
Bradford have produced better HG talent than Cas - Fact
If you disagree, then prove otherwise, because I can sure as hell name a lot more Bradford produced players from the past 15 years, and I can sure as hell name a more high quality Bradford players than what Castleford have produced.'"
If you provide a time frame, I'm more than happy to help you get together a list of homegrown Cas players who have played first team. This information is available for you to get yourself on [url=http://www.castigers.netCastigers.net[/url.
We can then compare it to the number of homegrown Bradford players who have played first team in the same period. That will determine a fact as to the number of homegrown players each club has produced within a given time frame.
As for 'better' homegrown talent. That is 100% subjective, but a sensible way of judging 'better' would be representative honours. For example, Castleford had two homegrown players gain England caps in the 2010 season, how many did Bradford have?
Answering questions like these is a good way of ascertaining facts. Saying "Westerman is mediocre" is a way of acting subjectively. I think by looking at facts and figures you may be able to prove your point, but your refusal to even bother and just demeaning the facts that confirm Castleford have produced international class players just makes you look like a pathetic troll rather than a Rugby League fan interested in discussion and debate. |
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"Anyway guys. Seen as though none of you are willing to accept my challenge, I think I'll leave it at that.
Bye..xx'"
STICK WITH YOUR SIX FATTIES TRUNDLING DOWN THE MIDDLE ......................................................................... Bradford the home of boring rugby |
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"Anyway guys. Seen as though none of you are willing to accept my challenge, I think I'll leave it at that.
Bye..xx'"
Finally! Thanks for taking the hint, petal. |
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"No it is not subjective, it is fact.
Bradford have =#FF4000poached more HG talent than Cas =#FF4000in the last 15 years - Fact
Bradford have produced =#FF0000less HG talent than Cas =#FF4000in the last 115 years - Fact
If you disagree, then prove otherwise, because I can sure as hell name a lot more Bradford produced players from the past 15 years, and I can sure as hell name a more high quality Bradford players than what Castleford have produced.'"
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The title 'Classy Cas' was coined pre-Super League. I've always related it to a particular era not a club brand. |
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"Anybody taking the challenge?
How about Baztiger, the claiment that Bulls dont have a youth policy like Cas?'" Wtf you on about when you talk of home grown players! think you missed the point or are you just thick?? all the bradford players you talk of 99% of them come from other areas not bradford is the point, and as for the so called (poached from other areas) HG players in your currant team nothing to brag about look at where them and a bunch of over the hill ozzy's have got you over the last 2 years!  |
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| Quote ="bcfc bradford"bonjour castleford fans,
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I sincerely hope not.Always look forward to our annual trip to the Jungle,Cas fans have always had good banter with us.My second favourite team. |
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| Quote ="barton baird"I sincerely hope not.Always look forward to our annual trip to the Jungle,Cas fans have always had good banter with us.My second favourite team.'"
Bonjour is hello DelBoy haha |
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Mange tout, Rodney, mange tout
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| Quote ="mrpurfect"Bonjour is hello DelBoy haha'"
Ah ,but I am not French and don`t talk with a ridiculous accent. 
(but you know what I meant,I was referring to the original post.  ) |
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| Quote ="garroway"What happens when Chase signs for Hull FC?'"
Oh i hope not ! The KC Curse will strike him down !  |
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| To Bulls4Champs2010. Bradford were a mighty team like the other 3 hence being able to cherry pick the best youngsters from all areas, like most people, they want to win things and that is mainly possible if you play for a top team, so more of your home growns may have won more rings, shields and cups than us and that is the reason. The top teams have always had the majority of players in the international team.  |
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"Dont insult me buddy, I aint doing it to you.
That isnt the challenge, I asked somebody to name a 17 man homegrown Cas team and then I could compare it to a 17 man HG Bulls team from the same period of about 15 years.
Your points of Bradford producing more international players has been duly noted and lends considerable weight to my argument that Bradford have consistently produced better quality players than Castleford since the empahasis of producing HG players a priority in the game.
As for international class recently, Shenton sure. But Westerman? Youre not having that one pal, he played in a exhibition game against Cumbria. And Lynch and Owen never made it down under so thats only 1, not 4 mate. As for Bradford developed players in the squad down under, there was Burgess, Atkins & Fielden who all made it there this time around. So again, the numbers side of my argument is still in my favour here pal.
Bradford also had 2 academy players in the England academy fixture and a third that wasnt selected(G Burgess, O Brian & Southernwood) With the latter 2 expected to get games time and kick on this season.
What would you like to know about Bradfords youth production system. We had 16 HG players in our 1st team squad last season, I dont know how many we'll have this year as it hasnt been released yet, I would imagine it would be a high number as always though.
At the end of the day, the chap that claimed that Bulls dont have a youth system like Cas is wrong IMO. Bulls have a youth system that exceeds anything Cas have managed. The evidence for that is very clear.'"
Yes Mate.....you may have had 16 HG players in your first team last season........................BUT last season you were e, garbage, rubbing rags.......CRAPOLA!! any team can put English youngsters into their squad.............the point is though, ARE THEY ANY GOOD and yours clearly are not!!!! end of thread!!!  |
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Anybody else know anything of Chase leaving for Hull? Can't see it happening myself, but his name is being banded about a bit now and is said to be a target of ours.
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Westerman for Hull?
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Anybody else know anything of Chase leaving for Hull? Can't see it happening myself, but his name is being banded about a bit now and is said to be a target of ours.'"
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Anybody else know anything of Chase leaving for Hull? Can't see it happening myself, but his name is being banded about a bit now and is said to be a target of ours.'"
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| Quote ="Fully"Think you would need to triple what you paid for Westerman.'"
That's no problem, where do we sign? |
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I'm getting Deja Vu
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Alright then Moneybags FC. How about £1m. In fact, how about £12m, we can get a free stadium then?  |
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| Quote ="Fully"Alright then Moneybags FC. How about £1m. In fact, how about £12m, we can get a free stadium then?
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| Quote ="Fully"Alright then Moneybags FC. How about £1m. In fact, how about £12m, we can get a free stadium then?
'" If you just hurried up and merged with Wakey, I'm sure you'd get a free stadium. |
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Oh, so witty and original. I might just die from laughing.
Why don't you merge with KR? Could have a decent half-back then. |
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Why don't you merge with KR? Could have a decent half-back then.'"
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