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| Quote ="vastman"Correct. I really can't understand why some seemingly intelligent posters are claiming that the franchise has any kind of real authority, it does not, it has NONE.
Sure you can't challenge the decision through RFL channels - big deal. The British legal system is the ONLY organisation in the land able to enforce the law and the only body able to create laws is Parliament. No way do the rules of some small sport riddled with self interest overrule the LAW.
Any Lawyer who can find any part of the franchise that goes against current trade practice and employment law would have a field day. It matters not a jot as to what the clubs and the RFL agreed or signed - if it's an illegal practice it can be challenged and over ruled with almost 100% certainty at a huge cost to the game and the RFL know this.
Even the rule about clubs going into receivership and thus automatically being demoted is utterly unenforceable in a court. The only reason clubs in football have not challenged the FA is because those clubs simply couldn't afford a legal challenge. It would IMO be a completely different story if a club could mount a challenge. The SL would lose the case where Trinity, Salford or Cas are concerned IMO.
If a club is solvent, trading and has employees and even if it fails the sports own criteria then by UK and European law it is still totally illegal to remove there ability to trade against there will - end of. If the RFL/SL tried to enforce the demotion of any existing club on any grounds other than those which broke UK law and were taken to court they would be crucified and the franchise agreement would be rendered worthless - which indeed it is unless all the clubs CHOOSE to go along with it - which they won't when push comes to shove. Even IMO an individual employee could successfully challenge any ruling regarding demotion so thin is the franchise systems real power.
Anyone who thinks that some piddling little body like the RFL/SL have any real authority over the future of LTD Companies with shareholders employing many people which all SL clubs are is living in cloud cuckoo land.'" This sounds like good plan although it has 1 small hitch any club taking the RFL to court cannot play in any if its comp's.
IF you take the RFL to court then you as a club need to find another sport to play.
This was one of the main reasons Wigan didnt kick up more of a stink the other year when they got a major slapping over the salary cap.
THe RFL have the clubs more over a barrel then you seem to think.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This sounds like good plan although it has 1 small hitch any club taking the RFL to court cannot play in any if its comp's.
IF you take the RFL to court then you as a club need to find another sport to play.
This was one of the main reasons Wigan didnt kick up more of a stink the other year when they got a major slapping over the salary cap.
THe RFL have the clubs more over a barrel then you seem to think.'"
Wigan didn't kick up a stink because they were guilty ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif) the RFL and Wigan shut up and did a deal on the sly to stop Cas kicking up a fuss and suing both the RFL & Wigan for everything they had on the other hand.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Wigan didn't kick up a stink because they were guilty
the RFL and Wigan shut up and did a deal on the sly to stop Cas kicking up a fuss and suing both the RFL & Wigan for everything they had on the other hand.'" You could take the RFL to court and yes you would probably win..............BUT lets say it takes 12/18 months to win that would 1/2 season where you cannot play RL AT ALL.
Now have a little think about it.
How much of the club would be left to play in RL after you stop trading for 1 season if not 2.
Oh and BTW Wigan would have correctly argued that the Salary Cap is illegal by European Law just as you would be argueing that the franchises are illegal.
Its a gamble by the RFL that no club has the balls to do it.
For reasons I have mentioned IMHO its a gamble they are always going to win.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"No, just someone who takes time to find out about the licence process. Do you have any RL comments?'"
is there a link you can put on here to this legal document you appear to have seen?. if so i can get it looked at legally
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| Quote ="Ceejames"The RFL rules for a licence are clear and approved by all the clubs. The licence criteria are approved by all. If the RFl comply by their own rules then a club protesting about a decision after it has been made will fail. [uThe team slected to go down wil be relegated.[/u'"
I hope we are not slected and wil not go down.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I hope we are not slected and wil not go down.'"
You're spellings shocking ![Sad icon_sad.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_sad.gif)
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"You're spellings shocking
'" Shouldn't that say 'You're Spelling is shocking' ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Shouldn't that say 'You're Spelling is shocking'
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Why should it say "you are spelling is shocking"? ![Confused icon_confused.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_confused.gif)
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Why should it say "you are spelling is shocking"?
'" Oh hello are you talking to me again now. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
But indeed you are correct it should read 'Your spelling is shocking' ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Anyone who thinks that one piddling RL club can force the RFL and 13 other RL LTD companies to play against them week in and week out is living in cloud cuckoo land.'"
Of course one club and it's legal team could force exactly that if they could prove the actions of the RFL and the other 13 clubs to ne acting illegally - both restricting that piddling clubs right to trade and it's employees the right to work.
Let's get this straight, despite what you seem to think the RFL/SL is nothing in the eyes of the law. It's rules and regulations are nothing but a gentlemans agreement n a par with the rules and regs of a local darts league - nothing more If you think otherwise and you clearly do then I fear for you.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"This sounds like good plan although it has 1 small hitch any club taking the RFL to court cannot play in any if its comp's.
IF you take the RFL to court then you as a club need to find another sport to play.
This was one of the main reasons Wigan didnt kick up more of a stink the other year when they got a major slapping over the salary cap.
THe RFL have the clubs more over a barrel then you seem to think.'"
A major slapping as you put it is hardly the same as a Ltd company being forced to go bust. Had Wigan been relegated due to the loss of points do you honestly think they would have accepted demotion and 4 years in the wilderness at best or going out of business completely at worse - come off it.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"The RFL rules for a licence are clear and approved by all the clubs. The licence criteria are approved by all. If the RFl comply by their own rules then a club protesting about a decision after it has been made will fail. The team slected to go down wil be relegated.'"
So where have you got that from - oh I know you just made it up. If all three clubs get grounds and thus tick all the criteria then by the games own laws they cannot be relegated. No one from the RFL/SL has said that a club will definitely be promoted, they have said they will be looking at the possibility of promoting and relegating a club - look at the word possibility.
There is no possibility if the clubs hit there targets by 2012, certainly not according to the franchise rules.
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| Quote ="binks"I think you will all find the RFL are not removing anyone's ability to trade, They will be only be moving them from SL into The Championship, this does not stop them from trading.
And while I don't agree with 1 of the 3 getting kicked it will be there own fault, we have all vexed about for far too long with empty promises. The grounds should be up we have all had long enough .'"
Absolute rubbish. For a start we are all I assume talking about the three clubs getting there grounds. I certainly accept that if Trinity don't get the ground we are down thouh even then you could still challenge it. What we are talking about here is the idea that some have that even if all three clubs get a ground one will still bite the dust. It's this last bit that is in question and which is easily challenged.
If a club or company which is what they actually are meets all there requirements needed to trade in SL but is still culled to allow another company in then this is undoubtedly a restriction on their ability to trade and an unfair one in the eyes of the REAL law.
Are you seriously suggesting that the removal of a guaranteed near one million pounds a year from SKY alone won't have a catastrophic effect on the business - one that will almost certainly lead to bankruptcy for the club and full scale redundancies.
I can assure you it will and any BOD will be obliged to fight this decision on behalf of the shareholders. RL is not a magical world where the rules of real life don't exist, a shareholder or an employee of Wakefield, Cas or Salford has exactly the same rights as if the company in question was Tesco or Rolls Royce.
The fact is that the RFL/SL can set up any rules it likes, but it has no power at all to enforce them - only a court can do that.
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| Quote ="vastman"A major slapping as you put it is hardly the same as a Ltd company being forced to go bust. Had Wigan been relegated due to the loss of points do you honestly think they would have accepted demotion and 4 years in the wilderness at best or going out of business completely at worse - come off it.'" Read my other post.
The RFL have all of us over a barrel.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Shouldn't that say 'You're Spelling is shocking'
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It should, but it matters not ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="vastman"The fact is that the RFL/SL can set up any rules it likes, but it has no power at all to enforce them - only a court can do that.'"
Except, of course, that the club in question has to agree to certain conditions in order to play in any competition. Before we start getting all high and mighty about real law, can I just remind you that despite all equality laws passed prior to the official recognition of professionalism in Rugby Union, the Rugby Football Union could force clubs under their jurisdiction not to play on RL grounds, not to play RL teams, not to play ex-RL players, not to employ people who had been involved with RL in any way.
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| i just love all the legak expertise on here ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="tb"i just love all the legak expertise on here
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Try shopping at Glasshoughton now before you get your stadium up I went shopping with wife and spent more time waiting to get out of the carpark that what we spent looking in the shops.'"
Was this when they have been ripping up half the roads?
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| Quote ="pyeman"Was this when they have been ripping up half the roads?'"
Ah yes the ripping up of the roads that looks set to be complete ahead of schedule and under budget, and will drastically increase the capacity of the junction, apparently.
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| Quote ="tb"I was on an iphone on a bus
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That's a hell of a balancing act. Watch out for low bridges.
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| Quote ="tb"I was on an iphone on a bus
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I was laughing along with the comment, not at your spelling mate.
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| Quote ="who needs flankers?"That's a hell of a balancing act. Watch out for low bridges.'"
The trick is to balance the iPhone on its long side. You've no chance trying to balance on the short end ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="tb"i just love all the legak expertise on here
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No one seems to want to comment on it.
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