He's a Bradford fan you bafoon! I'd have a listen to him, he is actually speaking a lot of sense.

Thank you.x

Listen to this man.

Sorry, but this is just nonsense and designed to wind up people on this board. You can't back this up with any evidence whatsoever and have proved yourself to be a laughing stock.

No it wasnt, it was a simple reply to a person that claimed Bulls youth policy doesnt exceeds Castlefords. I think it does and as it goes, Ritz is a Bulls fan and I wasnt even speaking or aiming anything at 1 single Castleford fan. So step down off that rather large GeeGee, please.

I's struggle to name 7 top class or very good players that Cas have produced recently(recently being since the start of Super League and since there has been an emphasis on clubs producing there own stars), however, I can name a few decent ones so maybe i'd scrape seven. So thats all the evidence I need, on the contrary I can names quite a few high quality names that have come through Bradfords youth system.

Ive got you a lil challenge, why dont you name me a starting 17 from players developed by Castleford and their youth system(Thats played in their first and youth/reserve teams if you didnt know) in the past 15 or so years, and after you have done that, i will name you exactly the same but with players from Bradford, then we'll see who has the better youth policy. We can then measure up which players then have the most succesful and distinguished careers. (How would you like to do that, years at top clubs, international caps, winners rings, how?)

You taking me up on that Georgie?

Mike, don't fall out with the Cas lot, there's a good chap? They are generally a decent crowd (although admittedly there is that tb chap...

) and we usually get on OK with them (especially when they are playing Leeds) and like going to their place. Surely its their bosum pals down the other end of the Normanton Bypass that you ought to be poking?

I've neither the time or inclination to dredge up 17 from the last 15 years but it took about 10 seconds to undermine your "evidence" and name 7 very good Cas products playing in SL now:- Watts, Westerman, Shenton, Huby, Godwin, Orr, Lunt.

Sorry but Huby, Godwin and Westerman dont count as very good, only mediocre and decent, so yeah, scraping 7 as I said.

Somebody take the challenge please it should be fun to compare the two clubs success in devloping juniors from within their ranks.

It's amusing that Bradford trolls now have to scour the forums of 'lesser' clubs trying to start arguments. It aptly highlights the plight of this once above average club into one scrabbling in the lower echelons of the Super League table. Just waiting for usernames such as 'Bulls4Top10finish2015' to emerge...

I just think it's funny that a Bulls fan started this thread and implied that Cas are no longer a classy attacking side; when they support one of the most dull, boring and unentertaining teams in Rugby League.

Anybody taking the challenge?
How about Baztiger, the claiment that Bulls dont have a youth policy like Cas?

What fun would there be in either set of fans naming 17 players who the other set could childishly deride as mediocre/decent regardless of their actual quality? Life (to those who have one) is far too short for such an exercise in infantility.

PS If you don't count Huby/Westerman/Godwin what about internationals such as Lynch/Olima/Pryce. And are you the only fan I know of who doesn't rate Richie Owen? Jeez I'm up to 11 already and haven't really thought about it.

Because you know your list will be blown apart by mine is why you wont do it. Like I said earlier, Lynch is about the best youve produced. Pryce who? The Wayne Variety? You might be upto 11 players, but 11 very good players it is not.

Just please stop trying to kid yourself that Cas's record and policy of youth development is anything remotely similar to ours in terms of numbers and quality.

Take me up on the challenge, prove me wrong.

Or cant you?

You seem to be mistaking me for someone who gives a flying **** about your youth development....I was just reponding to questions about ours. However I note you seem to have resorted to the "'I'll show you mine if you show me your's" approach to comparison of products, suggesting you're the only kid around here...and a tiresome one at that if you persist with the argument that established internationals such as Shenton and Elima are not very good players. Please don't feel obliged to reply, I sense a distinct swing of the tedium barometer.

I'm laughing at how pathetic you are, how intensely you want to get into an argument over something that is essentially subjective and really doesn't matter in your day-to-day life (I assume).

But to answer your 'challenge', obviously the whole youth system production debate is seen through rose tinted spectacles and is a matter of opinion (for example, only an idiot would label a player with representative honours as 'mediocre'). Personally I would assess Bradford's development system as having produced more international class players over the 15 years of Super League. Over the licensing period, I would suggest that Castleford have produced more international class players, with two home-grown players getting international honours last season (Shenton and Westerman), with a third (Lynch) who should have been down under but for injury and a fourth (Owen) who would have been knocking on the door had it not been for breaking his leg in the first few rounds of 2010.

With two players in the England academy side that just smashed the Aussies (captain Adam Milner and Jordan Thompson) who have started to establish themselves in the first team at Cas, plus a number of other homegrown players expected to become first team regulars at Cas in 2011, the future looks bright and, after a number of years of mismanagement in the early part of the 2000s, the traditionally good Castleford production line is back on track.

As for Bradford's current youth production system, I don't know, but trust you can offer an honest assessment.

Never said Shenton or Elima wernt good players. Yeah, yours isnt very good at all. A 2/4 of very good players is all youve managed in 15 years, which is pretty darn shocking. The rest of your list are journey men and mediocre squad fillers. In comparison ours have produced a steady record of full internationals, multiple medal winners, GB Captains, men of steel and beyond.

Just go for it, lets see what you come up with. Personally I think youre holding back because you wont like what you see.

Please stop or you might get a warning for trolling.

Dont insult me buddy, I aint doing it to you.

That isnt the challenge, I asked somebody to name a 17 man homegrown Cas team and then I could compare it to a 17 man HG Bulls team from the same period of about 15 years.

Your points of Bradford producing more international players has been duly noted and lends considerable weight to my argument that Bradford have consistently produced better quality players than Castleford since the empahasis of producing HG players a priority in the game.

As for international class recently, Shenton sure. But Westerman? Youre not having that one pal, he played in a exhibition game against Cumbria. And Lynch and Owen never made it down under so thats only 1, not 4 mate. As for Bradford developed players in the squad down under, there was Burgess, Atkins & Fielden who all made it there this time around. So again, the numbers side of my argument is still in my favour here pal.

Bradford also had 2 academy players in the England academy fixture and a third that wasnt selected(G Burgess, O Brian & Southernwood) With the latter 2 expected to get games time and kick on this season.

What would you like to know about Bradfords youth production system. We had 16 HG players in our 1st team squad last season, I dont know how many we'll have this year as it hasnt been released yet, I would imagine it would be a high number as always though.


At the end of the day, the chap that claimed that Bulls dont have a youth system like Cas is wrong IMO. Bulls have a youth system that exceeds anything Cas have managed. The evidence for that is very clear.

Cant accept an outsiders critical opinion so therefore labels it as trolling. Typical.

Your presence on this forum is insulting my intelligence in me feeling the need to respond to you.

And please don't refer to me as 'buddy' or 'mate', I've wasted way too much of my time already trying to engage in sensible discussion with someone who is so obviously an imbecile. My response was to discuss the relative merits of youth production at Bradford and Castleford in a way that could be assessed sensibly rather than a hand-picked, rose-tinted assessment of a group of names. I don't care whose is better, I'm only concerned with clubs who do produce good quality English talent, not who produces more, and your constant measuring contest is utterly pathetic.

Its some form of failed medical experiment,

Sorry buddy.

Whats not sensible about facts and truth?

Bradford have produced more and a better quality of HG players so therefore have a youth policy like and better than Cas, not the other way around as Baz Tiger thinks.

I was just debating and backing up my claims with solid evidence. Simples.

There is a difference between asking something and then after getting an answer just being silly.

There is a difference between subjectivity and fact. This entire topic is subjective. That is fact.

I tried to discuss both systems honestly from what I knew about Castleford and perceived about Bradford. You decided to not just ignore the points I was making but deride them in some bizarre notion that I was challenging your point rather than just discussing the subject. This isn't about winning and losing, it's about discussing the subject, which is what a healthy forum is about. We have enough 'my dad is bigger than your dad' conversation on here as it is with Wakefield fans and the new stadium, we don't need Bradford fans bitter that their club is now a consistent lower table team on here giving it all that about some other area that Castleford are actually very strong in.