He said it was all paid back:



So no need to wonder





Some people just like to try and cause bother by asking stupid questions that answer themselves.

Answer me this one then. How come in 2009 Cas were deferring players players wages when in 2006 Cas led the charge against Wigan for deferring wages which as a result of the investigation was then ruled to be "against the spirit of the cap" and so against the rules?

I did read it all properly www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby/view/2 ... eep-going/ There was no mention of it payed back in there which was the piece I posted about

I did read it all properly www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby/view/2 ... eep-going/ There was no mention of it payed back in there which was the piece I posted about

Because Wigan did it to avoid going over the salary cap, Cas did it for financial relief...massive difference.

Wigan cheated, deal with it.

You think we have even come close to breaking the salary cap?



Also in 2009 it was a live cap so the rfl would have been fully aware.

Wigan cheated to stay up, accept it, it happened.

I am sure Wigan could have dreamt up that excuse at the time and there was nothing in the rules (at the time) to preclude what Wigan did for whatever reason. It was basically a witch hunt where a matter of opinion ("spirit of the cap"icon_wink.gif as opposed to a rule was used to get the end result. The irony is that the club that lead the charge against Wigan deferring wages had to do it themselves. The reason is irrelevant.

Apart from it is.

Wigan did it to hide breaking the salary cap and as such avoided relegation - which is cheating.

Now stop trolling.

I cant believe some wigan fans still dont believe they cheated in 06, have you accepted the earth is not flat yet?

Did wigan defer payments to get round the cap in order to cheat the cap and stay up, without the consent of the rfl? yes, that's cheating.

Did cas defer payments with the full knowledge of the rfl that took us no where near the cap and in no way benefit our league position? yes, thats not cheating.

Did Cas try to change the phasing of multiple existing contracts to allow them to sign extra players that would have taken them over the cap?

Or did they just delay the payment under an existing contract as they were struggling for cash, which had absolutely zero impact on their salary cap?

It's madness isn't it.

Effectively, Saints could ask each of their players to defer 10% of their salary until the following year and do it every year, which would give them that extra money to spend on a player every year.

Provided all your new players defer the same amount too, it never catches up with you and you're perpetually over the cap by 10%. But that is fine apparently.

Weren't Wigan something like £222k over the limit that year ?

From what I can see it's because Cas deferred the [ipayment[/i of the wages, Wigan wanted to defer when the wages were actually accrued. It's like the difference between not being able to afford your tax bill and negotiating a repayment plan, or fiddling your tax returns.

Wigan didn't pay out more than the salary cap allowed in 2006 because they deferred wages. As a result they were able to sign players and still remain within the cap so ended up with a stronger squad. By deferring wages in 2009 Cas got to keep certain players in their squad who they obviously could not afford due to other financial problems. So deferring wages was a mechanism to have a stronger squad. In both cases neither club broke the salary cap. The differences in practicalities are moot since both are manipulations to effectively bolster squad strength.

(Whoever posted Wigan were at a cap level of £2.25m is getting mixed up about the time when the flat rate cap first came in at £1.8m (in 2004 I think). Wigan had existing contracts that meant the season after, that was going to be the wage bill).

Wigan cheated what? When the rugby league nearly went bust in 1995 before the superleague deal was signed up, who borrowed the rugby league £4m ? Wigan... because it was all repaid and brushed under the carpet wigan never got the recognition it deserved for that, in the process wigan nearly went bust. Think before you speak

Any moderators care to share why my thread regarding mcgoldrick joining hull FC has been locked?

I'd guess because there's already a thread on the subject.

Not regarding him joining hull there isnt

Yes there is, it's discussed in here from page 1!

So the penalty you got for doing that was wrong then. I don't remember the appeal.

They were rumours that was fact! It only got released this afternoon hence why I posted

Sorry to see him go without a proper goodbye from the cas fans, thanks for all your efforts in a cas shirt, one of the last personalities in the game.

Good luck goldie.

he played ok for us fri night, better than what we had and only here till end of season when he may or may not get another contract, win win for us really

Better then what you had? Banned for X amount of games. A win win for you guys? What's it for us then???? MASSIVE earner off our books, a competent half back IN. That is win win.

Looks like Ryan may pick up a 1 match ban for pushing the referee on Friday night whilst attempting to make a tackle. Must say that Mr Roby had a shocker with the whistle.

Been overuled mate.Much ado about nothing I.M.O.