Well said that man, the RFL are playing Russian Roulette with two clubs that are trying their bloody hardest to go forward. They are are not helping by actually forcing these clubs in to spending both time and money on defending their positions when they could be putting that time and effort into working on their plans for new stadia.

The sooner that both sets of fans wake up and smell the bloody coffee the better... this is not about Cas v Wakey, it should be about Cas and Wakey v the RFL!

I think the ground issue on both sides as been done to death by both sets of fans and it getting really boring! there is nothing any of us can do about it, both sets of fans need to grow up and form some sort of action group hell bent on keeping both clubs in SL or we risk at least 10 to 15,000 people being lost to the game.

According to a friend of a friends uncle Dave's, sisters, brothers pet rabbit it doesnt matter if FULL planning permission takes 5 years as long as Outline PP goes through the funds will be given to CT from Opus. The reason the council were a bit cagey about it all is that Opus have many different tenders for the project and cover a wide range of different sizes and plans and different impacts on the area. They were basically too vague at this point as to what was actually going to be put on the site.

Once outline PP is granted full PP will follow relatively quickly. But it is thought that it will be at least 3 years before any decision either will be reached on outline PP when you consider the high likelihood of it going to the secretary of state if it is attempted to be rushed through. Thats if the council let it get that far, they were less than impressed with the idea at present i'm afraid and theres a lot of work to do to come up with a plan that is acceptable to all parties. Sadly these things don't take five minutes and Opus are in know rush as it is not costing them anything to sit on a deal for a while. If fact with land prices showing no sign of significantly rising in the short term then it would be in their interest to develop the land further down the line. I think it will be developed at some point but it won't be in the near future.

Well put Baz, it's obvious from his many postings that IA is well and truly anti Cas, why would he try to stir things up about the Wheldon Road development if that wasn't his position?
This sleight of hand by IA, trying to shift the focus from the wildcats financial demise with his third or fourth hand, fly on the wall revelations and suppositions are nothing short of scandalous. If this man was pro Cas, then why on earth would he come on here with such utterings? it's obvious that he has go into bed with the wildcats and will do all he can to try to derail our license application and try to put a positive spin on anything and everything the wildcats do? Fortunately the RFL are not stupid enough to be swayed by such tittle tattle and the Castleford Tigers application will be judged on its merits, as will that of the wildcats.
You've shown your hand once again IA and your trolling is not welcome here, as you say you live near NM so concentrate your efforts on that site and keep out of our business!

Can't disagree with any of that mate, spot on! This will get the nod eventually, it is just going to take much longer that RW is currently prepared to reveal... for obvious reason and I don't blame him to some extent.

You are not getting this at all are you!!!

I am really trying to help the fans of both clubs understand why they need to join together to fight the RFL not each other. You just stay in that bubble of yours and ignore this then and take the risk that Savills report will not uncover this and throw some major spanners into your SL application, just as big, if not bigger than Newmarket has done with Wakefield.

You will also clearly not be interested in knowing and think I am making things up when a friend and fellow industry professional has told me this morning that they (and many others) have been asked to and will be submitting (actually, it might have already have gone back, not sure) a fee proposal for one of the consulting packages for the planning application design work. They have been asked to submit their fee proposals for an approx 65,000 sq ft retail (not total area, just retail space) plus associated storage, service yard and car parking for a superstore and possible PFS on the WR site.

OR... am just making this up???

That is what they showed the planning officers and the planning officers have issues. Simple as!

This will happen in some form or other, I am sure, but not for quite a while yet... WAKE UP people or just keep taking the ostrich approach and put your heads in the sands... it might work and get you a license... or it might not!

Welcome to our world.

Some of them are maybe getting this now... but it would appear many are not bren2K!

It is easier to slag me off and than realise that this is about helping them wake up to the actual situation! Oh well!

Despite what you might think IA you are not the only person who uses the forum who has letters after their name, is a proffesional or holds a position high up the managerial chain.

Having read through all of your extremely long winded posts on what you supposedly know as a fact about a prelimanry meeting to discuss Cas's new outline planning application, which by your own admission you didnt actually attend, I could write a long and detailed counter argument, but I think it would be far simpler and painless all round to simply................

..........call you a to**er.

Solutions have to be found and problems need to be overcome. Opus know their stuff and wouldn't be investing time and money if the project was a non starter.

I'm hopeful we'll be safe for a franchise this time purely because Wakefield ended up in a financial mess at the worst time. They'd be little to choose between the clubs if that hadn't happened.

If it's not sorted for next time then I've no doubts at all that we'll be goners.

Debate - Yes.

Snipe and witter - No. And that includes trading insults and squabbling.

The topic is a valid one - if you all keep it that way...

This is not the ostrich approach IA, how are your ramblings helping Castleford?
This isn't Cas & Wakey v the RFL and never will be, the RFL have clearly stated that ONE team will drop out of Superleague and be replaced by Widnes, whether that be Wakey, Cas, Crusaders or whoever, no ganging together will sway the RFL, unless it is the other clubs that ALL get together, but that's not going to happen, they are not going to vote to receive less Sky money are they?
I believe the development of Wheldon Road is a great idea and ticks so many boxes and delivers so much to the town and to the area as a whole, with absolutely no cost to the council, who seem to prefer to splash the cash the way of the city of Wakefield and I don't just mean helping with funding the wildcats planning for the NM project, but the new but horrific looking Hepworth Gallery and the new shopping centre, it does seem that the town of Castleford hasn't had much in the way of support from the council in recent years, so it's about time that changed and making sure the Wheldon Road project gets the green light should be top of the councils agenda!
If you are so confident the RFL will listen IA, why not come up with something positive rather than your usual negativity about anything Tigers?

Someone over on t'other forum made a good point, why has the council wasted 30 odd million on an art gallery that to be perfectly honest, will hardly bring folk in will it

when for that money they could have built stadiums (well, contributed significantly to) for Cas, Wakefield AND Featherstone securing the futures of some of the biggest companies in the district and helping 2 towns and a city to build better economies.

The Hepworth will bring 250000 tourists a year to the region, and was built with the help of a great deal of grant money. The 30mill will be more than recovered, and is an investment not just for Wakefield but for the whole of Yorkshire for years to come. More people will visit the gallery than any of the individual clubs over the year. Live and let live .... it may not be your cup of tea, but then RL is a minority sport!

I highly doubt it will be that successful and I'd even go as far as saying it'll be closed down within 3 years maximum.

Why would people go there when there are far bigger & better galleries only a couple of hours away?

Quote ="wakeyrule"The Hepworth will bring 250000 tourists a year to the region, and was built with the help of a great deal of grant money. The 30mill will be more than recovered, and is an investment not just for Wakefield but for the whole of Yorkshire for years to come. More people will visit the gallery than any of the individual clubs over the year. Live and let live .... it may not be your cup of tea, but then RL is a minority sport!'" Do you really think the concrete monster will attract almost as many people as the Royal Armouries news.bbc.co.uk/local/leeds/hi/pe ... 407162.stm I drive past it every day and trust me its posible the worst new building in Wakefield if now Yorkshire. Yes i know its whats inside that people will come and see but 250000 really ??

Quote ="wakeyrule"The Hepworth will bring 250000 tourists a year to the region, and was built with the help of a great deal of grant money. The 30mill will be more than recovered, and is an investment not just for Wakefield but for the whole of Yorkshire for years to come. More people will visit the gallery than any of the individual clubs over the year. Live and let live .... it may not be your cup of tea, but then RL is a minority sport!'" Do you really think the concrete monster will attract almost as many people as the Royal Armouries news.bbc.co.uk/local/leeds/hi/pe ... 407162.stm I drive past it every day and trust me its posible the worst new building in Wakefield if now Yorkshire. Yes i know its whats inside that people will come and see but 250000 really ??

The best solution for both clubs is to do what we did on Good Friday, and the other teams, and show that exciting local derbies do more for rugby league than some pin on a distant map. See you Saturday, and I hope we're both in next year.

Quote ="binks"Do you really think the concrete monster will attract almost as many people as the Royal Armouries news.bbc.co.uk/local/leeds/hi/pe ... 407162.stm I drive past it every day and trust me its posible the worst new building in Wakefield if now Yorkshire. Yes i know its whats inside that people will come and see but 250000 really ??'" Tourists from all over the world visit a dis-used power station in London! I drive past it every day as well, and while I agree its not a pretty building I would argue that its harsh lines and bleak colour reflect the history of the industrial area the site once was. Lets be honest, pit heads were not a pretty site - but something about them still strikes a chord for me. And for all you ex-miners out there - theres a Henry Moore sketch on display of miners coming off duty that I would bet will bring a tear to your eye as you recall the comradeship and community of mining folk. Sorry this is going off-topic, especially as the Grate Bonzo is lurking!

Quote ="binks"Do you really think the concrete monster will attract almost as many people as the Royal Armouries news.bbc.co.uk/local/leeds/hi/pe ... 407162.stm I drive past it every day and trust me its posible the worst new building in Wakefield if now Yorkshire. Yes i know its whats inside that people will come and see but 250000 really ??'" Tourists from all over the world visit a dis-used power station in London! I drive past it every day as well, and while I agree its not a pretty building I would argue that its harsh lines and bleak colour reflect the history of the industrial area the site once was. Lets be honest, pit heads were not a pretty site - but something about them still strikes a chord for me. And for all you ex-miners out there - theres a Henry Moore sketch on display of miners coming off duty that I would bet will bring a tear to your eye as you recall the comradeship and community of mining folk. Sorry this is going off-topic, especially as the Grate Bonzo is lurking!

I take it you've forgotten the 5 million they spent on a bridge, yes a bridge! That's really going to bring in tourists isn't it?

What a sad game RL has become if this is what we are reduced to, I really don't think IA is trying to troll, either way whoever stays up or go's down i really have fallen out of a game I have been in love with since my earliest memories to now 30+ years later, I can't see any of that passion returning whilst the game keeps with the current franchise system. It's a real sad state of affairs I'm afraid.

So I_A writes in a fashion that makes it sound factual although the only 'factual' element to it is that it's come from a 'credible source' with no concrete evidence supporting it.

Going to keep my powder dry but then people hear different things. I have no question that Opus would have pulled out had talks with the Council not gone their way.

The Council know that something will be built down there - Hicksons, The Jungle, Nestle and I think the Bus Depot are all going to get redeveloped. They are not going to have to pay a penny and any issues can be resolved. Think I_A may have got some info and exaggerated it tenfold to try and make it worse than it is.

Maybe I_A is a secret agent trying to undermine our licence bid?

The RW cheer-leading squad have arrived!



Sorry you think what you do Fully, I had more respect for you than this, but hey ho!

As for the comment about Opus then you clearly know nothing about developers, they don't get where they are by taking no for answer... you, like many others should READ my posts fully (like your name) before making such daft comments.. because they didn't actually get a no... they got a this is not what we had in mind and this could take time and money and still might not be suitable! RW was shocked, Opus, being in things for the long-hall (like their fellow developer - Yorkcourt) were relaxed, just like their proposed end user client they have in mind for the Superstore, yes I do know who it is now as well!

This will get through in the end, like I have also said, but it will take at least 18 months and the planners told Opus they think 3 to 5 years if at all. I have not exaggerated anything, but you can chose to not believe me, despite other very factual evidence I have posted about the planning application, which I do expect will be lodged at some point this year, but may not see the committee for months or years, while they get the details sorted and agreed.

Well, I disappearing for week, so knock yourselves out and the Ostrich pen is that way >

I_A you cannot post something as though it is factual when you weren't there at all. And judging by what you've said your "source" wasn't either. So it sounds like a lot of hearsay.

Like I said, why would the Council turndown not just one piece but A LOT of inward investment. The whole of Wheldon Rd is going to be redeveloped and yes, in time, that could take a long time to resolve and issues to sort. What you're forgetting is that Cas only need planning permission to go through to get the funding so IMO, even if does get a load of section 106's, that's something for Opus to resolve - Cas will still get their cash.

Why hasn't this clown been banned yet? He's a no-nothing troll and he's just making it look like he knows something by making big posts.

It's been shown time & time again by multiple posters all he does is come on here on trolling missions all the time.