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| Quote ="tropical1"It was Ferres. If we had got that try i think we would have kicked on but instead we made stupid mistakes and allowed them to get their head up.
Something else that wound me up we allowed them to score from dummy half same as we did with quins last week - for god sake basic rugby get low down so that they can't ground the ball
Rant over
well played wakey
Cas you need to wake up'"
It was dixon clean through with ferres and hudson on inside and owen on outside where did he go owen who had a shocker for me
but saying that dixon didn't even look where he passed it,
and that was the turning point if we scored that that would have been game over but like the old castleford last season we blew it canrt
hold a lead
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| Just watched the highlights and it was Dixon who threw the pass
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| Quote ="charlie"Just watched the highlights and it was Dixon who threw the pass'"
As I stated. Some Cas fans must not watch the game.
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| Quote ="Fearless' Headguard"Never mind, lets all get round to McGoldrick's for a few beers and a dance, that should take our mind off it...
Pathetic tonight, all credit to Wakey and certainly to John Kear who finds us out time and time again, but I am just so tired of losing to them in these games. They had the bragging rights when we were sh*te and they sent us down and they STILL have the bragging rights when they are on their ar$e and we are supposedly 'flying high'. Gutted.'"
Think you have nailed it there and your not the only one struggling to comprehend it. I was ready to eat humble pie, and 50 minutes into the game it was over for me.
Your totally right, this should be your moment and over all it is but those bragging rights matter and we all know it.
Most Cas fans don't want us out but they sure want to be top dogs and if we do go you won't want us saying that Cas couldn't beat us even when we were down and out - that's how it is.
It's a strange one and I can't explain it but when it comes to this particular derby one team has the edge in recent times and It hurts - we know.
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| Quote Just watched the highlights and it was Dixon who threw the pass
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where are the highlights available? I was sure that it was Dixon however only being 5 foot 4 and having someone jumping up and down in front of me may be the reason i mistook the player
And as for some cas fans not watching the game 'cas all the way' - i go to every cas home game and the only away match i have missed was quins due to work commitments
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| Quote ="wakeyrule"You can ALWAYS blame the ref!! I thought your first try was from a forward pass, and your second he was held up!
Second half you bombed at least two tries 'cos Owen over-ran his centre.'"
Two more so far against Whino's - somebody ought to tell him to hang back a touch!
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| Quote ="wakeyrule"Two more so far against Whino's - somebody ought to tell him to hang back a touch!'"
But they werent forward...read on.
Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.
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| Quote ="Pieman"But they werent forward...read on.
Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not
passed the ball forward in relation to himself. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass.'"
Shame that Rangi "The Crab" Chase was runnin g sideways then!
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| Quote ="tropical1"where are the highlights available? I was sure that it was Dixon however only being 5 foot 4 and having someone jumping up and down in front of me may be the reason i mistook the player
And as for some cas fans not watching the game 'cas all the way' - i go to every cas home game and the only away match i have missed was quins due to work commitments'"
eh. When i say not watch the game i meant you may not of been watching the play. Not you werent there. Chill lol.
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| They werent forward end of. The ball didnt even go forward.
Lads did us proud tonight. Poor last 20mins but the scoreline does not reflect the game at all.
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| We had to defend bloody hard to keep you to one score! Cas are a good team and when you have a full team you will always be tough to beat.
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| Quote ="dboy"Shame that Rangi "The Crab" Chase was runnin g sideways then!'"
you need to put your specs on he straightened up when he went to pass thus drawing a defender
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| Quote ="Pieman"you need to put your specs on he straightened up when he went to pass thus drawing a defender'"
Yes, but he was not moving forward with any significant impulse, to affect the flight of the ball - the ball went forward because Chase threw it forward, not because of any momentum imparted from his forward movement.
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| Quote ="dboy"Yes, but he was not moving forward with any significant impulse, to affect the flight of the ball - the ball went forward because Chase threw it forward, not because of any momentum imparted from his forward movement.'"
wrong again, he was ahead of both the ball and the player who caught the ball...hence momentum. Can you get it yet?
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"We had to defend bloody hard to keep you to one score! Cas are a good team and when you have a full team you will always be tough to beat.'"
Thanks for that. Hopefully we'll be at full strength soon though I wasn't too hopeful we could beat you tonight.
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| Quote ="Pieman"wrong again, he was ahead of both the ball and the player who caught the ball...hence momentum. Can you get it yet?'"
Dear oh dear!
The passer being in front of the catcher at the moment of the catch does not determine the effect of momentum!
If Chase was running forward at 8m/s, it would be reasonable for the ball to also travel forward at 8m/s, if passed directly sideways (we can discuss the effects of resistance later).
He wasn't, it did = forward pass.
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| Quote ="dboy"Dear oh dear!
The passer being in front of the catcher at the moment of the catch does not determine the effect of momentum!
If Chase was running forward at 8m/s, it would be reasonable for the ball to also travel forward at 8m/s, if passed directly sideways (we can discuss the effects of resistance later).
He wasn't, it did = forward pass.'"
no, if he is running and passes and the ball ends up behind its a backwards pass as the ball has travelled backwards in relevance to the player passing....dont have to bring in times, its common sense.
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| No.
If a player is stationary when passing, then simply put the pass can be judged relative to the ground as there is no momentum imparted on the direction of the ball.
If moving forward, a squarely passed ball, will carry the same forward momentum. This is not a forward pass, as, relative to the passer, the ball has not travelled foward.
What you describe is a player sending a pass forward, but running in front of it before it is caught.
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| Quote ="dboy"No.
If a player is stationary when passing, then simply put the pass can be judged relative to the ground as there is no momentum imparted on the direction of the ball.
If moving forward, a squarely passed ball, will carry the same forward momentum. This is not a forward pass, as, relative to the passer, the ball has not travelled foward.
[uWhat you describe is a player sending a pass forward, but running in front of it before it is caught[/u.'"
he was already running forward, and yes he run past the balls line thus making it backwards in relativity to the player passing the ball once received. Which is the rule.
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| And by the way, it is not about times and common sense, it's about velocity and Physics (Newton's First Law).
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| Quote ="Pieman"he was already running forward, and yes he run past the balls line thus making it backwards in relativity to the player passing the ball once received. Which is the rule.'"
The flight of the ball is judged relative to the passer, not to where the passer is when the catcher takes the ball.
Chase was not moving forward with the momentukm to legally have made the ball travel as it did, hence a forward pass.
What you describe would allow a player to "quarterback" a pass, as long as he ran forward enough before it was caught.
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| Quote ="dboy"The flight of the ball is judged relative to the passer, not to where the passer is when the catcher takes the ball.
Chase was not moving forward with the momentukm to legally have made the ball travel as it did, hence a forward pass.
What you describe would allow a player to "quarterback" a pass, as long as he ran forward enough before it was caught.'"
he was running forward with velocity, he was yards in front of the player when they caught the ball, how fast do you think he is as they were bullet passes. The passer is running forward, passes the ball in a backward motion when moving forward and is the ball ends up in a backwards position in relation to the passer...legit pass.
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| You can't be educated can you?
OK, let's use your version of the rules (and Newton's Law)...Chase is running forward, passes the ball which retains his momentum, and as he does he is stopped dead in his tracks by a solid tackle. The ball is then caught in front of Chase.
What is your decision?
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| Quote ="dboy"You can't be educated can you?
OK, let's use your version of the rules (and Newton's Law)...Chase is running forward, passes the ball which retains his momentum, and as he does he is stopped dead in his tracks by a solid tackle. The ball is then caught in front of Chase.
What is your decision?'"
forward pass, it has happened and been given.
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| Quote ="Pieman"forward pass'"
I rest my case!
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