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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Once again Fully, you make a bold statement but that is all... nothing of any substance to back it up. Just that I_A's comments are "wide of the mark". OK, so off you go, tell me what and which of my comments are wide of the mark?'"
I have my reasons.
Not stating you're wrong in any way - just that I believe you're wide of the mark on some issues. For instance, Opus' position, the fact you think that the club are driving this project when it's clearly Opus, the club are working on the information provided by Opus; the fact that you seem to think the statements provided by RW are spin on this matter (again when the info is coming through Opus).
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Another poster who should maybe read my post and not just read what people post about me... especially on your other forum!
Did I post that Newmarket =#FF0000wouldn't go to a PI... is that what I actually said? Please go look again at what I actually said! Did I think Newmarket would go to a PI, no I didn't think it would, but was always clear that it could (with it being a statutory referral and all) and yes, I was surprised when it did. However, I was not alone in thinking it wouldn't and Ian Thompson (personally) and his team in WMDC planning didn't think so either. Please call him and ask him if you wish, he has stated this publicly on several occasions but of course you always knew better I expect?
As for GH, what about GH, what did I ever say about GH other than it would sail through it's reserved matters and made some comments on parking issues following Xcaspe objection? You should check out who bothered and wrote to the council supporting the application, it is public record... but of course, I did this as a smoke screen cover to hide my obvious anti-Cas bias of course!
Half-baked rumours!!! Just pointing out the issues you now face and also posting first hand information from people involved in the process. If you think this is plane sailing, unlike GH but very like Newmarket, then you need your bumps feeling.
I post this information because I believe it is vital for your fans to understand the position of both clubs and how downright foolish it would be for the RFL to kick either you are Wakey out at such an important stage. Of course, you do have the advantage of the public perception of being 'in front' and therefore the stuff I have posted recently does I suppose seem negative and pessimistic if you are a Cas fan, but hey, it is what I know, have seen for myself and have been told first hand!'"
you predicted (with some confidence as i recall) the nm wouldn't go to pi and it did, is that statement untrue? no it isnt.
And unless you can provide us with a bit more evidence than 'some guy who's name must be kept secret told me that something was said in a meeting that i'm not willing to provide evidence he was at' then i will continue to regard your 'information' as nothing more than a half baked rumour. Just because you keep repeating it that doesn't mean we will all suddenly believe you.
Even if what you say is true do you suddenly think all the cas and wakey fans will unite under one banner and the the rfl will say 'sod crusaders after all cas and wakey fans are asking for each other to both stay in sl' the only thing the rfl might say is 'ok then merge' which would lead to the irreversible destruction of rl's popularity in its greatest nursery if were to ever happen.
All your vital 'information' has achieved is for wakefield fans to feel better as your telling them exactly what they want to here (your even managing to include 'rw's spin' is more and more of your posts) and cas fans reacting with a mixture of scorn, dislike and boredom. Well done.
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| Quote ="Georgie Best on a Bloomer"I just don't like people spreading stuff that's not true about the club, the directors, the fans or anyone associated with it. Call it what you like, I call it honesty.'"
Who is doing that exactly? Are you still banging on about my comment about RW earlier in this thread which I did regret and retract and apologised for?
I am being honest and now you are calling me a liar! So who should apologise now I wonder?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Who is doing that exactly? Are you still banging on about my comment about RW earlier in this thread which I did regret and retract and apologised for?
I am being honest and now you are calling me a liar! So who should apologise now I wonder?'"
Why don't you all just swap email addresses then you can talk drivel to each other as much as you like.
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| Quote ="Fully"I have my reasons.
Not stating you're wrong in any way - just that I believe you're wide of the mark on some issues. For instance, Opus' position, the fact you think that the club are driving this project when it's clearly Opus, the club are working on the information provided by Opus; the fact that you seem to think the statements provided by RW are spin on this matter (again when the info is coming through Opus).'"
Actually Fully, you might be right here and I have seen some information today that leads me to believe, by admittedly reading between some lines a little, that Opus have seen the mutually beneficial advantage of the current situation and time-frame and indeed they are keen to gain maximum advantage for both Cas Tigers and themselves (and fair play to them!). So Fully, I apologise, I think you are probably correct about the example above (just that one mind! ) and stand corrected. This is looking more like Newmarket everyday, (the overall strategy, not the planning issues, which are very different). This is however a possible banana skin and if things didn't go the way Opus want them to, even though I think they ultimatley will, then you could be back to square one. Although to be fair, you all knew that, just as the Wakey fans do in respect of Newmarket as well.
However, the time-frame situation (because the information is the draft pre-dev/design programme, if you haven't guessed) doesn't change and you are going to struggle to start on GH before (or even at the same time) as Wakey could potentially start on Newmarket and if things go the way Opus are contingency planning for, then it could indeed be years with the potential answer still being a no... even though I don't think it will be! But you knew that too didn't you, if you are honest with yourself?
It just makes me believe evermore strongly that the RFL are gambling with two clubs who will, in all probability, get new grounds if given the next three years of security in SL to deliver their plans!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"
It just makes me believe evermore strongly that the RFL are gambling with two clubs who will, in all probability, get new grounds if given the next three years of security in SL to deliver their plans!'"
Why? Can't Wakefield deliver theirs if they are demoted to NL1?
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| Mr I.A - although a new comer to this forum I have watched it for some considerable time with some interest. Just an observation really but apologising is something that you could do a little better. Always seems a lttle half hearted or mitigated by other facts or information you make sure you include to soften that apology. Like I say it's just an observation and to be fair I could apply that observation to other posters not necessarily on this site. Right, now I've said my peace I'll batter down the hatches now and take cover.
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| Quote ="Fully"Why? Can't Wakefield deliver theirs if they are demoted to NL1?'"
Why do you ask? Can't Castleford deliver theirs if they are demoted to NL1?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Why do you ask? Can't Castleford deliver theirs if they are demoted to NL1?'"
Just seemed odd that you implied that both sides need to be in SL to deliver their respective stadiums. So on that basis, if Newmarket can be delivered with Wakefield in the Championship it doesn't matter what iota what division they are in for that aspect?
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| Quote ="Fully"Why? Can't Wakefield deliver theirs if they are demoted to NL1?'"
Could you?
FWIW yes we can. As I imagine you can, as your not paying for yours either.
Opus for you, Yorkcourt for us.
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| Quote ="Fully"Just seemed odd that you implied that both sides need to be in SL to deliver their respective stadiums. So on that basis, if Newmarket can be delivered with Wakefield in the Championship it doesn't matter what iota what division they are in for that aspect?'"
Odd that you questioned me on the fact that I think the best possible chance for both sides is to be in SL to deliver their respective stadiums. So on that basis, if Glasshoughton can be delivered with Castleford in the Championship it doesn't matter what iota what division they are in for that aspect?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Odd that you questioned me on the fact that I think the best possible chance for both sides is to be in SL to deliver their respective stadiums. So on that basis, if Glasshoughton can be delivered with Castleford in the Championship it doesn't matter what iota what division they are in for that aspect?'"
Cas have said it will be delivered no matter what division we're in.
Given we've probably got a stronger application than both Wakefield and Salford (IMO) then I would hope that the RFL do not demote us.
However, you seem to be stating everywhere that SL should be expanded to accommodate Wakefield on the basis of their stadium plans. Why, if they can deliver them in the Championship? And more importantly, why is it of importance as to what division Wakey are in for a Leeds fans such as yourself?
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| It's good for the game.
IA takes an interest because he loves RL, even if it doesn't involve the colours he wears. Pity others can't follow suit.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Ok, once again, please let me know what wasn't 'exactly accurate'? Please use any of my posts to highlight this... you are too much of an intelligent poster I expect though to say the Newmarket call in... so it can't be that... can it?'"
Succinctly, I'm anti-Wakefield
Wakefield have a better on-field record than Cas over the Super League era
Richard Wright will blame other people if Cas don't get a franchise.
All on this thread. All of which you've acknowledged.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"It's good for the game.
IA takes an interest because he loves RL, even if it doesn't involve the colours he wears. Pity others can't follow suit.'"
It is good for the game but still doesn't answer my question.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"Who is doing that exactly? Are you still banging on about my comment about RW earlier in this thread which I did regret and retract and apologised for?
I am being honest and now you are calling me a liar! So who should apologise now I wonder?'"
For goodness sake! Check your PM. I'm not arguing this on here.
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| Quote ="Fully"Cas have said it will be delivered no matter what division we're in.'"
So have Wakefield, so what is the problem for you both? You fancy making way for Halifax (assuming Wakefield 'have made way' for Widnes) then to make things fairer in three years, new grounds, best side on and off-field between you wins Bradford's franchise?
Quote ="Fully"Given we've probably got a stronger application than both Wakefield and [delSalford[/del (IMO) then I would hope that the RFL do not demote us.'"
Well of course, you are half right, you both have a stronger application than Salford but you don't have one thing they have... £20m worth of new stadium and Peels lawyers standing between you and a trip to the high court! You don't owe the RFL £700k either, which is another story!
Still, paper thin between you and Wakey possibly... what happens if the RFL disagree with you... what then?
Quote ="Fully"However, you seem to be stating everywhere that SL should be expanded to accommodate Wakefield on the basis of their stadium plans. Why, if they can deliver them in the Championship? And more importantly, why is it of importance as to what division Wakey are in for a Leeds fans such as yourself?'"
However, you seem to be stating everywhere that SL should be expanded to accommodate Castleford on the basis of their stadium plans. Why, if they can deliver them in the Championship?
You are making this really easy Fully, I hope that the club didn't get you to write any of their SL application!!!
Are you struggling to get off this mobius strip of argument you have inadvertently created?
On the final point, because I care about this game and these two clubs... I keep telling you this but quite frankly it is like
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It is good for the game but still doesn't answer my questions?
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| Quote ="Georgie Best on a Bloomer"For goodness sake! Check your PM. I'm not arguing this on here.'"
I don't have a PM if you have sent one Georgie?
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| Because we offer much more than Wakefield in the other areas and have demonstrated that in the three years over the last licensing period. Simple really. Oh, and I'm not saying SL should be expanded to accommodate Cas, simply because I believe we are one of the best 13 sides in Super League. On the basis that Super League, IMO, isn't going to expand to 15 for pure reason of fixture list congestion, logistics and money, that means one in, one out. The weakest sides, IMO are Salford and Wakefield.
Oh, and stadiums are really the be all and end all of licensing aren't they? What's the point in submitting applications on the other areas if that's all it's about? Come on I_A, apply some common sense into this. Salford aren't out the running as much as the media make them out to be just because they have a new stadium on the way.
These two clubs being Leeds and Wakefield?
Plus, you're acting like a child repeating what I'm putting - stuff I expect of a 6-year-old to be honest.
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| Quote ="Fully"Because we offer much more than Wakefield in the other areas and have demonstrated that in the three years over the last licensing period. Simple really.'"
In your eyes, and while you might be right, is that what the RFL think and what if they don't! You still haven't answered this one?
Quote ="Fully"Oh, and stadiums are really the be all and end all of licensing aren't they? What's the point in submitting applications on the other areas if that's all it's about? Come on I_A, apply some common sense into this. Salford aren't out the running as much as the media make them out to be just because they have a new stadium.'"
That is why your alter ego on Cas Forum is (very commendably I might add, this is not a criticism, in fact it is the opposite) is instrumental in working on the petition and you carry the new car sticker as your sig? So then we have this sussed me and you then, we should stop arguing because Salford and Crusaders and possibly Quins will have weaker applications so why are you spending your time on this and many other threads trying to justify Castleford's application being stronger than Wakefield's. Surely you should have been talking about how much stronger Cas's application is against Salford and Crusaders... so why aren't you?
Quote ="Fully"Plus, you're acting like a child repeating what I'm putting - stuff I expect of a 6-year-old to be honest.'"
It is not childish (well, just a little) but you have failed to answer any of the questions posed by YOU about Wakefield when turned around and made about Castleford... why do you think it is acceptable for me (of all people, as a Rhino) to answer these questions about another club when you are unwilling to answer them about your own club when turned around?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"In your eyes, and while you might be right, is that what the RFL think and what if they don't! You still haven't answered this one?
That is why your alter ego on Cas Forum is (very commendably I might add, this is not a criticism, in fact it is the opposite) is instrumental in working on the petition and you carry the new car sticker as your sig? So then we have this sussed me and you then, we should stop arguing because Salford and Crusaders and possibly Quins will have weaker applications so why are you spending your time on this and many other threads trying to justify Castleford's application being stronger than Wakefield's. Surely you should have been talking about how much stronger Cas's application is against Salford and Crusaders... so why aren't you?
It is not childish (well, just a little) but you have failed to answer any of the questions posed by YOU about Wakefield when turned around and made about Castleford... why do you think it is acceptable for me (of all people, as a Rhino) to answer these questions about another club when you are unwilling to answer them about your own club when turned around?'"
But I did answer it here:
"Cas have said it will be delivered no matter what division we're in" and I answered your other points when I explained why I don't think Cas will be demoted.
Or did you forget to read during your petulant comments? I'll have you know that I have nothing to do with the petition. I carry the sticker because I think it's vitally important to show my support for Cas. I spend my time justifying Cas against Wakefield because people, whether it be from Wakey, Cas or other clubs, spend time trying to make out that it's between Cas and Wakefield.
Oh and I'm asking YOU them questions because YOU were the one helping SWAG with the petitions on Newmarket etc etc and YOU made the comments that SL should keep Wakefield in on the basis of their stadium plans. That is why I asked YOU to justify your comments if the plans were deliverable regardless of division.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Could you?
FWIW yes we can. As I imagine you can, as your not paying for yours either.
Opus for you, Yorkcourt for us.'"
Didn't notice this in between I_A's childishness.
Yes, we can.
As for paying for it, yes we are. We've paid for the planning applications ourselves. Opus are paying for Wheldon Road, which in turn will fund Glasshoughton, so again, yes we are paying for it ourselves, not Opus.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Could you?
FWIW yes we can. As I imagine you can, as your not paying for yours either.
Opus for you, Yorkcourt for us.'"
Opus are BUYING the ground at Wheldon Road. Yes, that's right, Castleford Tigers RLFC OWN the land and will be SELLING it.... they'll be using money they EARNED from THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
Cas WILL BE PAYING for the stadium.
Clear? Good!
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