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| Quote ="talulah"The fact that they only got banned [iafter[/i the club were fined seems to indicate a reluctance to do anything about it - which is why the club were fined in the first place.
Shame they didn't ban the fans in the week following the incident, then they wouldn't have got fined would they?'"
In Cas's defense (and I don't do that often) it isn't like CSI on telly where they have face recognition software etc. I'm sure it took time to identify, and get those people to the club, to issue warnings and banning orders.
I think Cas are doing their best to catch up on this and I also think that they are setting a precedent too.
Now that as ARE doing something, it puts pressure on other clubs to do the same to their own idiots (we all have them)......otherwise there should be more fines coming.
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| Quote ="talulah"Actually most people are probably still perplexed at your original statement, and waiting for some more information to back it up.
Can you please enlighten us all as to what this "evidence" is that may have only just appeared?
Please can you explain how CCTV footage, knowledge of the chanting that occurred, and knowledge of the rules under the Respect agenda is still unsufficient for the club to have banned the individuals concerned, until after the fine?'"
Precisely. But that doesn't suit Pyemans narrative, so he won't respond with anything of relevance.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"They retrospectively installed cameras?
They retrospectively accrued views of those around the idiots post fine?
They retrospectively decided it was of value to do so, because of the fine.
Either way, a common theme occurs. That the club is only now placing a value on it's significance.'"
Bet your a twin
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| Quote ="Speedy"Bet your a twin'"
Whilst will I wager you struggled with English at school and are unable to make any accurate assumptions.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Whilst will I wager you struggled with English at school and are unable to make any accurate assumptions.'"
Great comeback about poor English champ
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"Great comeback about poor English champ
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And the irony light is switched off in Cas...
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| Quote ="talulah"Actually most people are probably still perplexed at your original statement, and waiting for some more information to back it up.
Can you please enlighten us all as to what this "evidence" is that may have only just appeared?
Please can you explain how CCTV footage, knowledge of the chanting that occurred, and knowledge of the rules under the Respect agenda is still unsufficient for the club to have banned the individuals concerned, until after the fine?'"
As i understand it the individuals concerned bragged about there actions on a well known social networking site, this was reported to the club and used as evidence for the banning orders.
cctv evidence can sometimes identify people but sometimes it cant, which is why despite having more cctv in this country than anywhere on earth we dont have the lowest crime rate (or anywhere near).
The club can only ban an individual when they have sufficient evidence otherwise they leave themselves open to being sued. As soon as sufficient evidence is gathered they are banned until then they cannot be banned.
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| Quote ="pyeman"As i understand it the individuals concerned bragged about there actions on a well known social networking site, this was reported to the club and used as evidence for the banning orders.
cctv evidence can sometimes identify people but sometimes it cant, which is why despite having more cctv in this country than anywhere on earth we dont have the lowest crime rate (or anywhere near).
The club can only ban an individual when they have sufficient evidence otherwise they leave themselves open to being sued. As soon as sufficient evidence is gathered they are banned until then they cannot be banned.'"
=#0080FFLet's also consider that it's almost definitely much easier to identify someone fighting or throwing something than it is someone chanting something via CCTV.
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| Quote ="Legionited"=#0080FFLet's also consider that it's almost definitely much easier to identify someone fighting or throwing something than it is someone chanting something via CCTV.'"
Exactly a proving that an individual was actually chanting a specific phrase using only an image would never stand up in a court of law.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"And the irony light is switched off in Cas...'"
Yup, because it was a blatantly obvious attempt at irony.
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"Yup, because it was a blatantly obvious attempt at irony.'"
I read somewhere once:
"Subtlety is an art form"
One you haven't mastered. At all.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"I read somewhere once:
"Subtlety is an art form"
One you haven't mastered. At all.'"
Why do people like you go onto forums for an argument? Surely its easier to not bother.
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."I don't read previous posts in order to make a relevant judgement'"
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"I read somewhere once:
"Subtlety is an art form"
One you haven't mastered. At all.'"
I know the difference between subtle and 'non-existent because I got caught out on a grammatical error so I played the irony card because I know there is no way anyone can either prove or disprove it'.
But enough derailment for today (you can take this as a 'victory' if you want).
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| I see the attention seeking, whingeing, money grabber [url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a246494/rourke-to-play-gay-rugby-star-thomas.htmlis at it again[/url...
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| ^^^^^^^^^^
Another 80k fine then!!
40k when it 'comes out' at the pictures and the same when it is released on Dvd!
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| Quote ="Bonzo"I see the attention seeking, whingeing, money grabber [url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a246494/rourke-to-play-gay-rugby-star-thomas.htmlis at it again[/url...
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And you are a moderator making these, frankly ridiculous, remarks?
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"And you are a moderator making these, frankly ridiculous, remarks?'"
I think it's time to quit now. It's getting boring and extremely tedious.
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| Anyone know when the appeal will take place.
Seems to have gone a bit quiet on that front.
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| Last I saw was the RFL confirming that, whilst Cas had signalled their intention to appeal via the press release, no appeal had actually been logged with the RFL. I'd suspect Cas were taking legal advice first re: chances of success and possible impact on franchise application (as former in-house lawyer for the RFL, Rod Findlay should know a thing or two about that). However, I'd also have thought there'd be a 14 or 28 day limit to when appeals can be lodged. 28 days would be next Tuesday. Maybe waiting for the Crusaders game to be out of the way before announcing it?
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| Quote ="Bonzo"I see the attention seeking, whingeing, money grabber [url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a246494/rourke-to-play-gay-rugby-star-thomas.htmlis at it again[/url...
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I hope that they'll teach Rourke the Welsh accent.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"I hope that they'll teach Rourke the Welsh accent.'"
If it's a Hollywood film, you can bet that he'll end up being an American lad who was born in Wales and emigrated when he was a baby. (No need, then, for learning a Welsh accent). He returns to Pontefract, the South Walean mining village of his birth and then goes on to play soccer for both Pontefract and Wales, scoring the winning touchdown in the 3rd final of the All-England Superbowl 2008 (after all Wales is in England, isn't it?).
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| Quote ="StuMain"Last I saw was the RFL confirming that, whilst Cas had signalled their intention to appeal via the press release, no appeal had actually been logged with the RFL. I'd suspect Cas were taking legal advice first re: chances of success and possible impact on franchise application (as former in-house lawyer for the RFL, Rod Findlay should know a thing or two about that). However, I'd also have thought there'd be a 14 or 28 day limit to when appeals can be lodged. 28 days would be next Tuesday. Maybe waiting for the Crusaders game to be out of the way before announcing it?'"
By the looks of the release below on the Super League website the appeal should already be in by now, says Cas had 15 days from date of findings (28th June?) to submit and appeal likely to be heard by end July.
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=18270[/url
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| Quote ="Traffic"By the looks of the release below on the Super League website the appeal should already be in by now, says Cas had 15 days from date of findings (28th June?) to submit and appeal likely to be heard by end July.
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=18270[/url'"
Prepare for another shafting then, they arent going to change their minds , or apply this ruling fairly to other forms of abuse.
In short the RFL are a joke , and a pretty bad one at that
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"And you are a moderator making these, frankly ridiculous, remarks?'"
So being a moderator means I'm not entitled to an opinion? Jog on.
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