You cant comment on finance and the commercial aspect of the clubs as you have no idea about them side of things at Fax. And if you are really comparing Stadiums, do you thing The Jungle is as good as The Shay? In many eyes it wasn't as good even when the Shay only had Three sides completed. Fax in the past have brought through very good youngsters and will do again.

You should be worried as they won't kick out Salford or Celtic with Wakey, so...it could be you.

It doesn't matter how the ground looks they judge on how many seats - which the Shay wins on, but Wheldon road has a bigger capacity...and doesn't need major structural work to make it ready for both TV and fans to be safe in.

As for commercial, Cas have the BEST commercial department in British RL, so it's safe to say it is better than the Halifax one.

Cas will NOT be kicked out and Halifax will NOT get promoted, the simple fact is compared to Super League clubs - bar Wakey & Crusaders - Halifax offer nothing new and just clutter one area of the country with another team, when the RFL are trying to spread the teams out. They'll just say in July unlucky Halifax try again next time.

Oh god not you again!
We can't comment on your finances but as your fans seem to always be banging on about how you have wealthy backers etc you must be relying on them in some capacity ie not self sustainable without financial backing. Cas on the other hand were one of only 4 SL teams to make a profit in 2009! We make a profit, we bring through young players, we have an average finish of 8th (play offs) so far this licence period and the new ground is in progress. Who in their right mind would consider throwing Cas out?

Fax ground is nothing special. I think you need to try and pick on crusaders though. Cas are far stronger than you.

Well, Widnes have a licence. So I'm not counting them. Hence 13 places and 15 bids.

And if you want to be pedantic (a quality I admire and encourage in anyone

):

Hull FC, Leeds and Warrnington have A grade licences for 2009-11- they are not in danger of losing their licence this year (though the category could change and be downgraded)

Bradford, Saints and Wigan have B grade licences for 2009-111- they are not in danger of losing their licence this year (though the category could change and be either upgraded or downgraded).

Castleford, Catalans Dragons, Crusaders, Harlequins, Hull KR, Huddersfield Giants, Salford and Wakefield have C grade licences - so are the only clubs at risk of losing their licence. Add in Halifax and that's 9 applications for 7 places

How do you know that Cas have the best comercial department in RL?

The RFL

Craig Poskitt commercial manager of the year at the last awards, some of the biggest sponsors in the game, does work for the RFL...



If you keep clutching you're going to be even more disappointed in July

Theres no clutching at straws, theres no faith in the RFL. Lewis is a dweeb.

No need to call him a dweeb.

A simple scenario

Take Fax out of the equation , and you have 14 clubs for 13 places , which means an elimination process , very negative

Put Fax in and you have an application process , can be ' spun ' as positive

The RFL were desperate to have clubs applying from the Championship [ otherwise it doesn't look very good if only one club passes the criteria to the point where they encouraged Fax to post a 5,000 odd attendance at their last league match by giving away several thousand tickets at a county fair to people whi did not attend

If Barrow failed on the set down criteria , why have the RFL even let them apply ? , it was pointless , but it has allowed them to have a ' competition ' with one club ' winning ' , one club ' eliminated ' , and one club given a second chance

So Fax are just there to give the licence process a bit of credibility , it really is pathetic

So basically people , you are safe as long as you ' beat ' Wakey , if you cant do that given their current situation , then you really dont deserve SL do you ?

All the best

Which dosent really prove your point does it? But then again, nothing you have posted on this matter has a shred of credibility to it.

So being the best commercial manager doesn't make you the best now does it? Right oh



Or the fact a small town team gets some of the biggest sponsors in the game without winning things?

You really are beyond simple and this is the last time I waste my time explaining something to a simpleton like yourself, run along now.

Dam keys did i say dweeb, i meant Chairman.


I'd rather be in Cas's shoes, i doubt ill be looking into flights to Perpignon for a long time, unless one of your fair maidens from Castleford wants a self sufficient Fax geezer, i might do it of Fax play Toulouse on the same weekend

It dosent mean that you bring in the most commercial revenue though does it? I mean i bet you were awarded a prize from your mum saying you were clever, when you clearly arent. And how could you with your limited ageing stadium. And you don't know what other clubs bring in with regards to sponsorship do you? If you do let's have the details?

Ladies & gentlemen, this is why you don't put lead paint in the nursery!

Commercial success is making money relative to your facilities, the fact Cas pull in money that exceeds the so called "top" teams shows that the Castleford commercial department is far above anyone elses.

But the fact you're too stupid to realise it's the amount of money you make relative to facilities & size, not how much money you make overall, the RFL knows this and that's one of the important things, not some pond life like you.

So yet again you provide no evidence to back up your stupid claims do you? Is this the same guy who arranged your main shirt deal with someone who wasnt allowed to make the deal?

Come on, list every clubs sponsorship and comercial income? Or are you now backing down from your statement that your club has the biggest sponosorship and comercial deals in RL?

So Salford beat us hands down then do they?

Forget about the staduims and we beat them hands down on everything,trouble is staduim is god to the men in charge of our game

Even our application should be stronger than Halifax's.

The RFL are just saying "yeah, course we'll still consider it" in the same way that the man in the lottery shop says, "yeah, course you can have a lucky dip". Still no chance of winning it.

Yes you are so I will



Cas [udo[/u meet the minimum criteria to be considered otherwise they wouldn't have been awarded a franchise at the last time of asking or been promoted from NL1 in 2005 and 2007.

As has been noted elsewhere, the RFL select the best 13 bids of the 15 that have been made. The only criteria that Halifax are ahead of Cas in is the stadium and thats hardly by a great deal, Cas win hands down in every other aspect.

Because they could get used to the application process, and could act on the feedback given to them by the RFL - giving them areas to focus on over the next three years before they apply again.

Steve O'Connor has been very vocal in explaining that the focus Widnes have put into youth development has been a direct result of RFL feedback from the last application process.

Not hands down , no , but quite simply because of the stadium at Barton actually being built as we speak , they are now safe

Are you being serious ? , any club can request at any time to speak to the RFL and ask exactly what they need to improve on to stand a better chance at the next round of licence applications , it doesn't come under the official state secrets act

They could ' get used to the application process ' , why can they not read and write very well ?

Stop making things up using RFL bullsheite speak