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| Quote ="Cheshire Tiger"Is there?
We have lost some games where with a few adjustments here and there we might have won.
The stadium plans are not where we want but they are realistically reported and its a sign of the current climate - im not seeing building flying up in St Helens, Wakefield, or Salford either!
We are TWO points behind the three time champions
We are in Super League
We recently won in France
We have some very talented young players (although I think we should have one or two more, granted)
Crowds are ok and stable
Not long ago our fixture list contained Doncaster, Batley and we were in Hunslets group in the NRC!
I think there is PLENTY to be positive about. Be part of the solution, not the problem
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Obviously you dont live in the town and hear the fans talking.
I live half a mile from the ground i talk to lots of fans in town.....people ae pee'd off. Look around at at other forums, it's all there for you to see.
Fans are getting well and truely fed up.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"Obviously you dont live in the town and hear the fans talking.
I live half a mile from the ground i talk to lots of fans in town.....people ae pee'd off. Look around at at other forums, it's all there for you to see.
Fans are getting well and truely fed up.'"
I live in town and admittedly, I don't canvass the opinions of fans such as your good self but the people I talk to have a different viewpoint. Since when have forums been the true voice of opinion, just a bunch of keyboard warriors who bitch and moan behind made up names. The only negativity I hear is from 'fans' such as yourself but then again I am a 'glass is half-full' type of guy, things could be a hell of whole lot worse, would you swap places with Fev? Doncaster?.
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| look on the brightside we are not fev !!!!!!!!!! that is a statement of ambition! looking backwards not forwards. You are Richard Wright and i claim my free easter egg
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| Quote ="Cheshire Tiger"Is there?
We have lost some games where with a few adjustments here and there we might have won.
The stadium plans are not where we want but they are realistically reported and its a sign of the current climate - im not seeing building flying up in St Helens, Wakefield, or Salford either!
We are TWO points behind the three time champions
We are in Super League
We recently won in France
We have some very talented young players (although I think we should have one or two more, granted)
Crowds are ok and stable
Not long ago our fixture list contained Doncaster, Batley and we were in Hunslets group in the NRC!
I think there is PLENTY to be positive about. Be part of the solution, not the problem
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It's good to see that there are other people out there who aren't doom and gloom merchants.
The thing I've noticed on message boards is that people don't really have much to say unless it's negative and when a few people start complaining it's often misinterpreted as the general consensus when in reality it isn't. I live in Glasshoughton and speak to loads of Cas fans too and I haven't heard anyone panicking or suggesting we're in crisis at all.
A couple of defeats and all of a sudden everything the club does is wrong.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone is entitled to express their opinion but 7 games into the season isn't the time to panic and demand change IMO.
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| I dont see how anyone can see this as a positive.
We have signed someone that nobody has ever heard of, And in this, Stopped one of our youth players development. This guy cant be much better than we have, Otherwise he would be playing more for the goons than he is.
The club is an absolute joke, If i was a youth player at the club i would be contacting Wakefield right away trying to get a transfer to thier youth system, As they have no chance of making it in ours while Richard Wright and Terry Matterson are running the show
I didnt mind Mike Cooper and Shaun Ainscough, As at least they were proven at Super League level, But this kid isnt, And i would have much rather have seen John Davies given the game time, Nevermind though, He will probably go to another SL side, Under a coach who actually has some ability and will end up been a Super League regular at a side much better than us, Ala Blanche, Mason, Lunt, Watts... Plus all the others we have turned away in the past
The club is officially a joke
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| Quote ="Andy Greg"Tuson is a very good SR forward he is way to good for the Under 20s i am sure you will see how good he is in the next few games'"
Yeah, We will give him 4 games experience that will bring him on leaps and bounds, Then send him back to yourselves so you can reap the rewards, Unless a loan signing with as little experience as him, Wants a permanent move, I wouldnt touch them, Just help our own kids development instead
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| Maybe. just maybe (and I know it's a long shot) our head coach is a better judge of a players ability than the armchair coaches on this board.
For the record (and according to the Wakey board) Gledhill was playing for Westgate Redoubt and was offered contracts from Wakey, Cas and Leeds, opting for Wakey as it is his home town club (born in Horbury).
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| Quote ="Dettoriman"Yeah, We will give him 4 games experience that will bring him on leaps and bounds, Then send him back to yourselves so you can reap the rewards, Unless a loan signing with as little experience as him, Wants a permanent move, I wouldnt touch them, Just help our own kids development instead'"
This loan signing could end up being more.Hes well behind Tomkins,hansen,mossop, bailey and if Farrell hadnt playing last thursday for widnes then he would have been on the bench against you men..I can see Tuson stayng long term.
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| =#0080FFTM could quite easily have dropped Thompson from the squad this week in favour of Wainwright and he hasn't. I think that suggests he isn't trying to keep our youngsters down like some seem to think he is. If TM thinks Tuson is better than what we currently have then fair enough.
We've got a tough easter programme coming up and having an extra player available to us is exactly what we need.
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"Maybe. just maybe (and I know it's a long shot) our head coach is a better judge of a players ability than the armchair coaches on this board.
For the record (and according to the Wakey board) Gledhill was playing for Westgate Redoubt and was offered contracts from Wakey, Cas and Leeds, opting for Wakey as it is his home town club (born in Horbury).'"
And all the others that have gone? The point is it isn't just the one is it PA?
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| Quote ="Cheshire Tiger"I furious about this. I can see why we got Ainscough, he is a rare talent. But we have as good as this kid at our club.
Imagine what the mood is in the youth set up? "This bloke isnt interested in us" will be the theme. I know it will cos Ive coached Academy and know how they see things. A surefire way to crush work that takes years to build up.
Im a TM fan and I know many are not, but on this decision Im very much wondering'"
But have we? Would Massey/Davies etc have got on the Wigan bench on Sunday?
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| Quote ="Tigerpie"And all the others that have gone? The point is it isn't just the one is it PA?'"
Others may have gone because they were offered more money, felt their careers lie elsewhere, they weren't developing quickly enough etc. Loyalty to your hometown club is a rare commodity these days, money talks and I would much rather have a stable financial footing than be held to ransom by some POTENTIAL 'star' in the making.
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"But have we? Would Massey/Davies etc have got on the Wigan bench on Sunday?'"
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"Others may have gone because they were offered more money, felt their careers lie elsewhere, they weren't developing quickly enough etc. Loyalty to your hometown club is a rare commodity these days, money talks and I would much rather have a stable financial footing than be held to ransom by some POTENTIAL 'star' in the making.'"
Its simply no good, talking sense in this fashion will only result in you being labelled as a closet wakey/fev/wigan fan.
As a glass half full kind of guy, and having watched cas for 20+ years, I predict no good will come of it.
We are all doomed.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"Obviously you dont live in the town and hear the fans talking.
I live half a mile from the ground i talk to lots of fans in town.....people ae pee'd off. Look around at at other forums, it's all there for you to see.
Fans are getting well and truely fed up.'"
Some people are moaning- sack the board, sack the coach, the players arent good enough etc but i cant remember a season when that wasnt the case, we had a good season last year and people moaned from start to finnish. On here and cas forum some posters dont post unless its to say something negative about the club.
I think bringing in some extra bodies when we have a tough easter schedule up ahead is the right move, at the moment going into the game against the taffs we have 23 players fit at most, lose a couple to injury and we are facing a tough easter programme with 21 players, which of course would result in yet more moaning on here.
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| It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.
For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?
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| Quote ="Bonzo"It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.
For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?'"
Wasnt that Karl Harrison, Bonz
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| Quote ="Speedy"Wasnt that Karl Harrison, Bonz'"
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| Quote ="Bonzo"It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.
For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?'"
Think that we are expecting to unearth another Westy/Owen, the instances when we have a ready made star from the academy are seldom seen and we may have been spoilt a little with the aforementioned two. If a player takes longer to graduate through the academy but ultimately becomes as good as these two, then a little patience is required. It can be frustrating when you see other clubs promoting from their academy (whether this is down to better coaching or a simple luck of the draw is debatable).
Personally, I think our problem is a lack of cash, most of which is presumably being pumped into securing the financing of the new stadium and in turn this is, again presumably, leaving us not being able to offer some of the younger players the wages they are demanding.
It's not a black and white issue and unless you are privy to contract negotiations and being a member of the squad, all the hearsay/gossip/chinese whispers are just that.
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"Think that we are expecting to unearth another Westy/Owen, the instances when we have a ready made star from the academy are seldom seen and we may have been spoilt a little with the aforementioned two. If a player takes longer to graduate through the academy but ultimately becomes as good as these two, then a little patience is required. It can be frustrating when you see other clubs promoting from their academy (whether this is down to better coaching or a simple luck of the draw is debatable).
Personally, I think our problem is a lack of cash, most of which is presumably being pumped into securing the financing of the new stadium and in turn this is, again presumably, leaving us not being able to offer some of the younger players the wages they are demanding.
It's not a black and white issue and unless you are privy to contract negotiations and being a member of the squad, all the hearsay/gossip/chinese whispers are just that.'"
Whilst I agree with all of that, I can't understand why there should be finance issues with regards to signing young players. Presumably they're not going to be on big contracts, nor do they need to be. As you say, we're not privy to contract negotiations and such, but as far as the cap goes one would assume that it makes more financial sense to blood 2 or 3 young players instead of signing an experienced player on a high wage, should the finances be available.
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"Others may have gone because they were offered more money, felt their careers lie elsewhere, they weren't developing quickly enough etc. Loyalty to your hometown club is a rare commodity these days, money talks and I would much rather have a stable financial footing than be held to ransom by some POTENTIAL 'star' in the making.'"
OK, so there we have a reason for not paying young players (whom we have already invested in) to stay with us. A stable financial footing. Is this the case? We have no idea!
All most of the fans are asking on here is why our youngsters are going elsewhere, and at the same time we are loaning equivalent players from clubs like the Goons and Wire. The fans should be told why the club is doing this-not too much to ask surely
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| Quote ="Bonzo"It was interesting that they mentioned on Radio Leeds on Sunday that there's genuine frustration amongst the Cas fans at the moment at the fact that young players are not being given opportunities in the first team, despite there being several successes with blooding them in the last couple of years.
For some reason this gravy train seems to have come shuddering to a halt but there's no obvious reason why. If we have so many good young players, why do we have such a thin squad that we have to loan from other clubs? Is that they're deemed not ready? Is that they're deemed not good enough? If they're not ready, then what are the coaching staff doing to get them ready and to prevent them from upping sticks. If they're not good enough then why are they here in the first place?'"
My thought entirely
I posted this on the casforum web site
Having followed the club since the sixties this latest 'signing' (sic) really, really takes the biscuit.
The development team and all the hangers-on (won't mention names) should hand their heads in shame.
This district is rich in rugby talent which begs the question why oh why aren't we now unearthing the next generation of Shentons, Westermans etc, stagnate, sit our your laurels, pat yourself on the back for unearthing JW RO, and we die.
The loaning of other teams 'surplus' players because we do not apparently have any suitable players is wake up call to these so-called development teams.
I did not agree with the abandoning of U18 and U21 as it gives a gradual foretaste for kids the demands of SL, as mentioned here some of the U20's are not ready for SL, but it begs the question DO we have suitable potential comming through the system .......in view of TM's latest master stroke apparently not.
Why have potentially good young kids left the club, not been identified or dropped out of the game, some names of CAS youngsters who are plying their trade at other clubs and have been spurned by the club, ie. Kyle Wood, Larne Patrick, Tom Burton etc,etc all these were EXCEPTIONALLY good youngsters who for one reason or another did not sign pro forms for us.
Why, ask the development team......false promises, favouritism of certain idividuals, cannot see the Wood (sorry) for the trees and so on ( D Wood was dead keen to sign KW, and said so at player presentation evening at Lock Lane).
The Ryan Boyle saga is an absolute classic, I know we should move on, but in view of the recent events it was on the cards that this decision of TM/Who ever/RW was always going to bite us on the 'arris.
It's easy to bag people when things are not working to plan but with a coach reluctant, in most cases, give or identify potential players, the Gledhill saga is another that springs to mind, it is no wonder that the loyal supporters are questioning the sanity of ther powers that be at WR
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| The thing that riles me is the amount of players playing out of position
McGoldrick on Sunday played Full back, but filled in at hooker, half back and loose forward!!
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| Quote ="casman2"The thing that riles me is the amount of players playing out of position
McGoldrick on Sunday played Full back, but filled in at hooker, half back and loose forward!!'"
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| we need a half back on loan? to cover sherwin or help him whos available?
or we go to the championship-
danny jones at the cougers aint bad
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