Is Ferguson better than Westerman? Simple answer is on current form Y.E.S. by a distance. Is he hyped to hell and continually fails whenever I watch him, no he doesn't but Westerman does.

I promise you the first time I actually see Westerman play the way you lot claim he does I'll be the first to say he's great.

I really don't know where you think you're going with this Ferguson stuff. He clearly has proved a match for golden balls this season, any normal person can see that.

In fact at the match London fans kept saying to me how average Westy was compared to Ferguson - would you believe it. Of course this was after they had told me how average Blaymire was compared to Owen - and how although he has never played there Ferguson is a better F/B than both of them. Even more amazing he didn't play today but in your world crazy things happen.

PS: Blaymire had a blinder today, ooooh he is so average

Who do you think will turn out to be the better player in the long run between Ferguson and Westerman?

Was Ferguson picked in england elite training squad?
Was Ferguson selected in the England sqaud this year or last?
Did all the players, pundits whoever voted for young player of the year last year all put westy down becuase he is no good.

I think all the answers to above questions is no.

Form is temporary Class is permanent!!!!

As westy proved over last couple of week not been at his best but with his top class line break at huddersfield and a back handed offload to set up a richie owen try that was given no try by video ref. You have also got to remeber he is playing a different role for us this year. This role I do think is right for him but im not the coach.

Also recovered from a serious head injury.

You are entitled to your opinion and dont disagree ferguson might be playing better recently but cas fans didnt select him in the elite squad or england squads but also cas fans dont get a vote in young player of year they are established proffesionals or experts in our game.

Are they wrong? sometimes maybe this time I say not.

I don't know why I haven't realised it before but you're right. All things Wakefield related is far better than anything else ever.

You go on about how we're deluded for getting excited over our young players and how they look like they have a promising future and then promptly do exactly the same thing with your own. Only there future will be promising +1.
We have seen Westy play and our excited about his potential. Let us be, you can be excited about Ferguson and we wont stop you.

Oh the irony



And as for ferguson and westerman, you yourself have said that 'westerman looks the most promising for a long time' so your either a hypocrite or an idiot, my moneys on both.

Thats the key word in this instance promising. He is a very good prospect, but as yet is not the end product. Having said that I wouldnt mind him at Wakey, better off letting him get on with his game and not put extra pressure on him by bigging him up so much he's only young with plenty of time on his side.

is it not good for the game that both clubs have good young players instead of the second rate from oz both teams have had in the past?????

Could not agree with you more. At Cas you are very fortunate to have the young talent you have and I am sure you are the envy of most clubs. The problem you have is that they are developing very quickly and I wouldnt mind betting that they are on the radars' of some of the so called bigger clubs, and it might test the club's resolve and be difficult to hold on to them. We have at our club 2 or 3 that are catching the eye but dont really want to say no more on that as its only rumours.

I dont think anyone on saying that westerman is the finished article, just that he's a bright young talent and that he already achieved more than most would have thought possible, a few years ago he made his debut and became a regular for the rest of the season and went on to win nl1 player of the year. Year after is a regular starter in his first year in sl, is the top try scoring forward in the league and win sl young player of the year. This year he has again been a regular in the side (barring his head injury) and got another call upto the england squad. All people on here are saying is that they are proud of what he has achieved and that there excitied about his amazing potential. For some reason vastman has a problem with any cas fans having anything good to say about cas youngsters, he even says we are overhyping our youngsters when fans from other clubs start threads to say how much talent they think certain yougsters have and how great they (not we) think they will be.

I wasnt implying that Cas fans think he is the finished article and as you rightly say they should be proud of them. In Westy, Owen and Shenton you have 3 potential gold nuggets' and as I have said in my previous post the operative word is potential. That they have in abundance and hopefully for themselves and the club they will go on and acheive that potential, but at the moment they are still learning and imo need to do this without undue pressure putting on them. BTW Vasty is a big man in every sense of the word and he certainly does not need me to speak for him.

I have tried to keep out of this BUT

Owens a good player and he will get better, how far he can go is now down to coaching and mentoring IMO.

Is TM and the coaching team capable of doing that ? i don't know, you guys closer to the club may have opinions on that.

simple answer NO

Well he has got Shenton and Westerman an England call-up, Owen isn't too far away and there are a few good young ones in the academy set-up. As stated previously, some players respond to different coaching methods.

True.

Yeah i know a few of them and we'll see how the come on.



Very true, what works for one player may not work for another, don't really know Westerman and Shenton but Owens a bit more of a challenge i feel.

I would offer a view on TM but i would just get shot down so i'll decline thanks

if it roughtly starts with s and ends in hit then i think im in agreement

TM got Shenny and Westy a call up eh? So how many players haven't reponded to him

I don't know, why don't you go and ask them?

You must be either blind or have a massive chip on your shoulder not to recognize that the team has improved this season but this probably down to luck and nothing to do with any coaching input whatsoever.

TM has not got the guys there call up, there have been many people involved in their development, not to mention the hard work they have put in, so stop why give praise to one person?

That is the point my paranoid brother

So you would acknowledge that TM had some part as the head coach of the team in their call-up?

So if players do well it's all down to the whole back room staff and if they do badly it's down to TM?

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