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| Which we have done neither.
We've lived within our means.
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| Quote ="Fully"Which we have done neither.
We've lived within our means.'"
And own our ground unlike many others whom have sold their silver,
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| Quote ="Speedy"And own our ground unlike many others whom have sold their silver,
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It's like having your house as an investment. It only pays when you die.
One thing to come out of all of it is that we will remain as two distinct and separate clubs, rather than the entity that other fans seem to want to push us toward. An upgraded Wheldon Road will be a great ground and keep your presence in the town. Just put a roof on for the away fans behind the sticks. Please. We did, for you. Oh, hang on, that was for us. Go North, or something.
Anyway, as Bazzo said on our forum, the war is over. Long live the battles.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Anyway, as Bazzo said on our forum, the war is over. Long live the battles.
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I'll drink to that.
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| Quote ="Speedy"And own our ground unlike many others whom have sold their silver,
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And thats got you where exactly? Its not worth anything to get you a move to a new ground, you've lost a million quid in three years and now you are going to have to pay to develop it, WOOHOO!!!
For Christ's sake man; give your head a shake.
Grasp the future, and stop trying to cling to hollow (well vacuous) victories from the past!!!
Look at the successful clubs, how many actually own their grounds (or silver to you)?
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Point taken but can you honestly say that those two clubs were more deserving of a franchise than Cas because they had a better stadium.'"
Well, we do struggle against Fev, but we can beat Barrow :O)
Franchising has killed the game below SL, ask any Championship supporter. Leigh are a club run within their means now, unlike quite a few SL clubs. I hate to think what would happen if SKY ever pulled the plug on SL clubs.
As for Cas, you will just be playing a run of friendly games again because you are never going to win anything, not even a Challenge Cup game against a Championship club. At least we have a chance for 2 Mickey Mouse cups.
RL is cr4p now, couldn't give a t0$$ about it.
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| Quote ="Junglefever"The Supermarkets are currently re-evaluating their stance on all their plans, whether it be redevelop current stores, or build new ones, even the big 4 supermarkets are finding trading conditions tough. Tesco have only recently announced a large drop in profits.'"
How about approaching Aldi to build a bigger store? they're profits are soaring and they're building new stores throughout the UK, it's worth a shot if Tesco are no longer interested
Quote ="Gronk!"If I were in charge:
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Demolish Railway end, move it back further onto the land behind it the club owns, extend the pitch to be full length, build a cheap all seater stand with a roof & concourse there.
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Extend the Princess Street stand down towards the new Railway end so it runs the full length of the pitch (with a longer pitch it would stop at about the 10m line), put a new roof on it to freshen it up a bit.
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Move the main stand back towards the turnstiles and make the 2 standing parts at either side of it into part of the seating area, add all the cooperate facilities etc into it. Concourse underneath it, obviously.
This would be achieved over a period of time with the aid of grants & sponsors.'"
How about turning the ground 90 degrees same as what Fev are doing? There is more than enough land, although this may cost the same as all the existing would need to be knocked down.
Quote ="kinleycat"you've lost a million quid in three years'"
As far as I can see so has every other club in the league - we announced losses of nearly 300k a year, which is less than most of the SL clubs. So over a 3 year period I would imagine that the rest have lost around that much as well??
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| Quote ="WYSIWYG"Well, we do struggle against Fev, but we can beat Barrow :O)
Franchising has killed the game below SL, ask any Championship supporter. Leigh are a club run within their means now, unlike quite a few SL clubs. I hate to think what would happen if SKY ever pulled the plug on SL clubs.
As for Cas, you will just be playing a run of friendly games again because you are never going to win anything, not even a Challenge Cup game against a Championship club. At least we have a chance for 2 Mickey Mouse cups.
RL is cr4p now, couldn't give a t0$$ about it.'"
Franchising killed the game for everyone not just Championship clubs
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| We lost 125 grand last year. Hull FC lost 500 grand. Don't know what Wakey's figures are but i'm certain Glover is putting a lot in with the hope of getting it back over time. The £125 season ticket offer is great at Wakey but is done for a purpose - to get fans on board for the long term and then put ST prices up to the realistic norm once they are staying.
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| Quote ="casman2"How about approaching Aldi to build a bigger store? they're profits are soaring and they're building new stores throughout the UK, it's worth a shot if Tesco are no longer interested
How about turning the ground 90 degrees same as what Fev are doing? There is more than enough land, although this may cost the same as all the existing would need to be knocked down.
=#8040FFAs far as I can see so has every other club in the league - we announced losses of nearly 300k a year, which is less than most of the SL clubs. So over a 3 year period I would imagine that the rest have lost around that much as well??'"
I'm not sure what losses the other SL clubs have made except the Bulls (obviously).
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I'm not sure what losses the other SL clubs have made except the Bulls (obviously).'"
As far as I seem to remember when all clubs make finance announcements for the year there are always losses at each club
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| A lot of cas fans are getting excited at the thought of grand redevelopments, but what exactly is meant by redevelopment? I’m guessing it’s a lick of paint here and there and new toilet block maybe. The money just isn’t there to redevelop on any grand scale that’s a fact.
On the other hand, I’m sure it can be tarted up to be “fit for purpose” relatively cheaply. The ground requirements were always going to be relaxed after the Bradford fiasco. It begs the question, why wasn’t this always the case, instead of having clubs trying to overextend themselves getting shiny new grounds?
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| Quote ="deeHell"A lot of cas fans are getting excited at the thought of grand redevelopments, but what exactly is meant by redevelopment? I’m guessing it’s a lick of paint here and there and new toilet block maybe. The money just isn’t there to redevelop on any grand scale that’s a fact.
On the other hand, I’m sure it can be tarted up to be “fit for purpose” relatively cheaply. The ground requirements were always going to be relaxed after the Bradford fiasco. It begs the question, why wasn’t this always the case, instead of having clubs trying to overextend themselves getting shiny new grounds?'"
I think you may be right, although if we get an investor then things may change
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| Quote ="casman2"I think you may be right, although if we get an investor then things may change'"
Johnathan France ?
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| we could always put £500 of corrugated sheeting on a few bits of steel at the Railway end, we will be just like Wakefield then. Everybody laughed at Fev when they bought the Scarborough Stand, dont think we are laughing now. Well done Fev.
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| I wasn't laughing, I said it was a shrewd move
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| Think a nice new main stand with revenue generating suites and non matchday stuff would make the rest of the ground look suddenly better. The old place would then be of similar standard to Headingley, just smaller.
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| Quote ="WYSIWYG"Well, we do struggle against Fev, but we can beat Barrow :O)
Franchising has killed the game below SL, ask any Championship supporter. Leigh are a club run within their means now, unlike quite a few SL clubs. I hate to think what would happen if SKY ever pulled the plug on SL clubs.
As for Cas, you will just be playing a run of friendly games again because you are never going to win anything, not even a Challenge Cup game against a Championship club. At least we have a chance for 2 Mickey Mouse cups.
RL is cr4p now, couldn't give a t0$$ about it.'"
Touche - but if you're talking about justifying a license on playing performance have Leigh even come close to winning/competing a GF since P&R was abandoned?
Wouldn't argue with anything else you say, RL needs to somehow re-invent itself before disenchantment and disinterest become irreversible then terminal.
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| I think some people are being a bit too optomistic with talk of new stands, new roofs on every stand, turning the pitch 90 degrees etc. It's all going to cost money which we have little of, and time.
The best way as someone mentioned is to take the Hull KR approach and try and upgrade a stand at a time....
The club are clearly wanting to make the Wheldon Road end the place to be for home fans, so for me this is the priority in the close season. The best way I can think of to sort out access issues, is to fence it off from the corner of the Princess Street stand, and again fence it off at the side of the main stand. The downstairs room under the tigers restaurant suite (I don't know what it's used for these days) should be a new Wheldon Road end members bar, the NRL clubs make a lot of money from members clubs (I know we aren't in the same league as them!!). However, simply sticking up a metal fence and making it out to be some sort of exclusive stand won't wash. They need to make supporters want to pay for Bronze/Silver memberships by improving the facilities. Sticking a new bar there sorts out some of the difficulties of having X number of people coming from the Tiger bar/other areas right before kick off. Of course you could also have turnstiles between the Wheldon Road area and the main stand area so it's not completely blocked off. I imagine converting this room into a half decent bar wouldn't be the most expensive thing in the world. Surely there are supporters among us who can decorate, do a bit of plumbing etc who would be willing to provide some free labour if the club provided the fixtures and fittings. The club might also want to look at demolishing that bit of terracing at the side of the main stand in order to have a bigger 'open concourse' area, and also in anticipation of doing some work on the main stand/extending it. There's not much the club can do about the pillars unless they have an expensive stand alone roof which doesn't need supports, maybe they could replace the roof and cladding similar to the way Wakefield have done.
The main stand is also a priority, what people are forgetting is if you completely rebuild this stand, work will overlap into the season. Even if they started work as soon as the season has ended, you could be talking the following summer before it's ready (maybe even longer) which means the club would have to play at a different ground=lost revenue. Again, it would have to be done in stages...I think it makes sense to move the corporate boxes here long term. In the short term (1-2 years) if the club are serious about staying at WR and manage to secure some funding, they could build new offices/changing rooms behind the existing structure. It's clear the roof needs to be replaced in the short term future.
Which leaves the Princess Street and Railway End, it would be lovely to have these nice and refurbished with super dooper new roofs but the club have to be realistic, any available funding needs to be spent on corporate facilities and improving the stands which are used the most by supporters (main stand, WR end).
In times gone by (hovis time) communities used to rally round and help build these kind of facilities, not just in financial terms but labour too. If the club are serious, open and honest then I'm sure within a database of perhaps 5000 Castleford fans there are plumbers, architects, electricians, engineers, decorators....people who own businesses who can provide scaffolding, maybe there are supporters who own small firms within the construction industry who may have contacts, or someone who owns a small carpet business and will give a reduction on new carpet. These people must be out there.
The club just have to tell it straight, don't give us another long term dream and then in 3 years time after nothing has been done say the club need to look at building a new ground at Glasshoughton/Whitwood etc. Or maybe
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| There was talk not long back of some waste disposal firm wanting to purchase the old Hicksons site. Due to planning regulations it was in this companies interests that WR remained a Rugby ground rather then commercial development. As a sweetener they offered Cas a low interest loan to redevelop WR. Is this still an option? I don’t if the hassle of a loan round your neck would make your business plan viable but it’s certainly an option. It at least looks on the surface the most realistic way of raising the funds to redevelop.
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| I would agree that developing the main stand makes most sense as this will bring more income into the club.
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| Quote ="Hightown Tiger"I think some people are being a bit too optomistic with talk of new stands, new roofs on every stand, turning the pitch 90 degrees etc. It's all going to cost money which we have little of, and time.
The best way as someone mentioned is to take the Hull KR approach and try and upgrade a stand at a time....
The club are clearly wanting to make the Wheldon Road end the place to be for home fans, so for me this is the priority in the close season. The best way I can think of to sort out access issues, is to fence it off from the corner of the Princess Street stand, and again fence it off at the side of the main stand. The downstairs room under the tigers restaurant suite (I don't know what it's used for these days) should be a new Wheldon Road end members bar, the NRL clubs make a lot of money from members clubs (I know we aren't in the same league as them!!). However, simply sticking up a metal fence and making it out to be some sort of exclusive stand won't wash. They need to make supporters want to pay for Bronze/Silver memberships by improving the facilities. Sticking a new bar there sorts out some of the difficulties of having X number of people coming from the Tiger bar/other areas right before kick off. Of course you could also have turnstiles between the Wheldon Road area and the main stand area so it's not completely blocked off. I imagine converting this room into a half decent bar wouldn't be the most expensive thing in the world. Surely there are supporters among us who can decorate, do a bit of plumbing etc who would be willing to provide some free labour if the club provided the fixtures and fittings. The club might also want to look at demolishing that bit of terracing at the side of the main stand in order to have a bigger 'open concourse' area, and also in anticipation of doing some work on the main stand/extending it. There's not much the club can do about the pillars unless they have an expensive stand alone roof which doesn't need supports, maybe they could replace the roof and cladding similar to the way Wakefield have done.
The main stand is also a priority, what people are forgetting is if you completely rebuild this stand, work will overlap into the season. Even if they started work as soon as the season has ended, you could be talking the following summer before it's ready (maybe even longer) which means the club would have to play at a different ground=lost revenue. Again, it would have to be done in stages...I think it makes sense to move the corporate boxes here long term. In the short term (1-2 years) if the club are serious about staying at WR and manage to secure some funding, they could build new offices/changing rooms behind the existing structure. It's clear the roof needs to be replaced in the short term future.
Which leaves the Princess Street and Railway End, it would be lovely to have these nice and refurbished with super dooper new roofs but the club have to be realistic, any available funding needs to be spent on corporate facilities and improving the stands which are used the most by supporters (main stand, WR end).
In times gone by (hovis time) communities used to rally round and help build these kind of facilities, not just in financial terms but labour too. If the club are serious, open and honest then I'm sure within a database of perhaps 5000 Castleford fans there are plumbers, architects, electricians, engineers, decorators....people who own businesses who can provide scaffolding, maybe there are supporters who own small firms within the construction industry who may have contacts, or someone who owns a small carpet business and will give a reduction on new carpet. These people must be out there.
The club just have to tell it straight, don't give us another long term dream and then in 3 years time after nothing has been done say the club need to look at building a new ground at Glasshoughton/Whitwood etc. Or maybe'"
Like the sound of a members bar for the wre, used to always stand there but moved to the railway end for a number of reasons, one of them being the supporters bar, think a railway end bar would encourage more people to use the stand and more beer would be sold leading to greater revenue for the club.
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| Quote ="pyeman"I remember an away fan claiming on here the only reason a cas fan would stand there would be to start trouble!
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