Are you for real, have you actual read the thread... you are looking for something that isn't there... one of the definitions of paranoia!

I was accused (by Gotcha) of being biased towards Wakey over Crusaders... and you know what, I am guilty as charged... I am also biased in favour of Cas v Crusaders as well BTW. But I have told you that already...

Cas are not mentioned by me until the 6th page of the thread and this is what I said -


Straws, at, clutching!!!!

From what I have read, I have interpreted that you have a slight bias towards Wakefield, which isn't a bad thing (much). I am not saying you are anti-Cas just that you have more of a leaning towards Wakefield. The reaction to your posts on the respective Cas and Wakey boards tells you all you need to know or is it that we (Wakey & Cas) are all misinterpreting your 'information'?

Wakey have a better onfield record in the SL era. I am laughing my head off at that comment. Yes, we've been relegated but we've also made the play-offs more times too.

Comparisons are hard to do, but taking overall positions on the league into account (Numbering top of SL as No.1 and then carrying on down through the lower leagues on a continual system, so currently top of Championship 1 is No. 15 and so on, these are the comparative finishes of the 2 clubs in the Super League era...

Year Cas Wake
2010 9 11
2009 7 6=#BF0000 (Apologies: This should have been 5th)
2008 12 8
2007 13 8
2006 11 10
2005 14 10
2004 12 6
2003 8 11
2002 6 11
2001 8 10
2000 5 10
1999 5 11
1998 6 13
1997 10 17
1996 9 18

This leaves Cas with an average finish of 9th and Wakey with an average finish of 10.7th.=#BF4000 (Correction: 10.6th) Cas have also spent one more year in SL than Wakey. Always helps to get your facts right before you start saying stuff, to save embarrassment!

Didnt we finish 5th in 2009? You need to practice what you preach about getting the facts right

He's taken it from Castigers.net which is wrong as it only lists 26 games.

someone do the maths with this new stat thrown in then

The petition has been checked with the Council I have been informed. It's fine. Get over it, simple as. I don't know planning IA; I don't work in planning and never have. I was just spitballing.

But you do certainly have an agenda loathe as much as you don't want to admit it. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to shoot it down at every opportunity.

Does sod all to it. Divide 1 by 15 and take it off. 10.6 recurring.

Surely though the calculation is flawed as having been in a lower division for 2 seasons should earn some sort of penalty against your average place finish. Afterall if its about contribution to the competition you can't contribute if your not in it.

The penalty would be equal though, considering we've both spent two years out of Super League. Even if they do not count, I'd guess Cas would still be ahead. Besides, IA has made an invalid point anyway originally. It's not about who has actually contributed over the past 15 years but the last licensing period in which case Cas have finished 7th and 9th and Wakey 5th and 11th = EQUAL FINISH.

I was clutching at straws. Agent Kear is doing a good job for his home town team though

Can't believe some of your lot are wanting him sacked.

Fickle hardly does it justice.

If Cas were serving up the boring one out ineffective rugby we are and having the same basic problems week in week out that the coach fails to address then you might feel the same way as some of us do

We do, occasionally. See Wakefield Cup match.

I could live with occasionally.

Couldn't stop laughing when i read that, we have been in the play offs 4 times to there two! he kept repeating we had been relegated but glossed over the fact one of those was from 11th place, a position wakefield have finished in 5 of there seasons in sl, they were lucky they finished 11th so often in the years where you couldn't get relegated from 11th place. Didn't mention that if were not for cas in 2002 (iirc) they would have been relegated either.

4 times? 3 innit?

Nope, four.

1999, 2000, 2002, 2009

Sorry, yes, slip of the finger! Can't apologise enough. Now let's have a look at the overall stats in the light of this mistake...

Cas: Average 9th
Wakey: Average 10.6th

Can I just say that Cas were in a lower division in 2005 and 2007. Wakey were in a lower division in 1996, 1997 and 1998, so any penalty for this would adversely affect Wakey more than Cas. That's why I did it that way, to try to stop any accusations of bias.



I know that a new licence only takes into account how we feature during the previous licensing period, but I was trying to reply to the point made which was about the relative performances of Cas and Wakey during the whole of Super League. I've been accused in the past of springing too readily to the defence of Cas against people trolling on here which is why I've been more reluctant to post over the last couple of months, but this business is just getting out of hand - and in trying to set the record straight I seem to have touched a raw nerve again (partly due to the fact I mistyped a number into my spreadsheet, for which I sincerely apologise). For anyone who's interested, the 6th position I quoted was simply a typo, because when I checked it in my records (and double checked on the SL site) Wakey were indeed 5th.

Having looked at this in more detail, I fail to see at all where the figures come from.

[u(1) Relegation[/u

While it's true Wakefield have never been relegated, they spent the first three years outside Superleague. Cas have only spent 2 years outside Superleague.

[u(2) Average Finishing Position[/u

In the Superleague Era, as I've already posted, Cas's average finishing position is 9th, Wakefield's is 10.6th.

In Superleague alone (i.e ignoring any seasons spent in lower leagues), the average finishing positions are Cas on 8.3 and Wakefield on 9.25. In all leagues since Wakefield entered Superleague (i.e 1999 and afterwards), the average finishing positions are Cas on 9.17 and Wakefield on 9.25.

The only time that anything like your figures would apply would be if you averaged the three years 2008-2010 inclusive, with Cas on 9.3 and Wakefield on 8.3, which doesn't really fit the description "over the Super League Era"

[u(3) Overall Performance on the Field[/u

According to my records, Cas have played 346 games in SL, winning 143 of them (41.3%) drawing 12 (3.5%) and losing 191 (55.2%).
Compared with this, Wakefield have played 334 games in SL, winning 120 of them (35.9%) drawing 4 (1.3%) and losing 210 (62.9%).

Cas have reached the playoffs on 4 occasions, Wakefield have done it on 2 occasions.

(These figures are to the end of the 2010 season)

In conclusion, it's difficult to say that Wakefield "have a better on field record over the SL era than Cas" because the figures just don't bear it out.

So after all that, what's your conclusion Georgie?

Soz, Fully, I'm not allowed to draw conclusions any more because some people take me to task for it, (or accuse me of being anti-Wakefield).



TBH, I'm in a huge dilemma over this one because it's absolutely crystal clear that there are two very persuasive sides to this argument. All I can do is try my best to present the information as accurately as I can, hoping not to type the wrong number here and there, and let people draw their own conclusions.