I was suggesting not about chanting but about the other trouble you cause, Semi final last year then fighting with the steards week or so later at the DW and the beatings you handed out to a group (women included) of wigan fans near the train station which the club and police are investigating after getting cctv footage. But, lets not turn this into an anti-wire thread please.

Your sincerely

Mr Shiny Helmet

C'mon all decent Cas fans (thats 98% of us) lets all move to the Princess Street Stand!

The pi$$ed up chavs who stand right at the back of the Wheldon Lane End might not be brave enough to shout anything remotely offensive if they don't have a crowd to hide behind,& if they did they would be easier to round up.

Also we could influence the officials more stood along the touchline.....FOOOOOOOOOORWARD!

I don't deny some of our scummier "fans" and the daytrippers, when ever a big game comes along, don't cause trouble. THEY DO. Unfortunately, virtually every club (and society) have them. But you go on the offensive, and accuse a club which hasn't been named in the incident (homophobia) of causing trouble.

Let me remind you, Pieman, I've been on your website this season, and seen posts from your own speccies, saying the behaviour of some of YOUR scummier "fans", has been appalling. People in glass houses.........etc

The RFL have set a very high bar now regarding not tolerrating discriminations against players. I do hope they do not think it is OK to make fun out of people with ginger hair as that would be the same of this issue. I would fully expect them now to come down on Leeds and Wigan after the below comments; www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... lens-leeds viewtopic.php?f=28&t=455274&start=0 www.nonleagueforum.co.uk/viewtop ... pid=233608

The RFL have set a very high bar now regarding not tolerrating discriminations against players. I do hope they do not think it is OK to make fun out of people with ginger hair as that would be the same of this issue. I would fully expect them now to come down on Leeds and Wigan after the below comments; www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... lens-leeds viewtopic.php?f=28&t=455274&start=0 www.nonleagueforum.co.uk/viewtop ... pid=233608

its not appalling its just not expected...get it right. Went on the defensive not offensive. I didnt accuse you or homophobia I said ther behavior, bear in mind Cas have had the fine doubled due to unruly behaviour earlier in the season. I still feel its madness as every ckub give opposing players grief.

No the Wire fans ate him, and the RFL kept it secret. Nigel Wood has friends that work for MI5 you know, and he as actually a really thin bloke, but he wears a fat suit as a disguise then Cas fans don't recognise him! Its so much you wouldn't believe it was true!

The posts of "were XXXX club fined for YYYY?" posts on this thread quite pathetic. Why do you suppose that just because another club "got away" with anything that it means your club should also get away with this?

Legislation doesn't work like that. If someone is accused of murder in court, using the defence "well, Lord Lucan got away with it" is not likely to get you off.

As for other comments saying a fine is totally unfair, and wondering "what could the club possibly do about it?", I suggest you read the tribunal findings, which state that the fine was for... "[ifailing to take steps to stop the homophobic chanting, for failing to identify the perpetrators, for failing to challenge the chanting and for their failure to undertake a meaningful inquiry afterwards[/i". The third of these the club [imay[/i be able to appeal against, but the other three the club quite plainly did nothing to address.

Instead of moaning, why not try to help your club address these problems. There is only one Cas poster so far who seems to have taken the initiative to do this.

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Pieman wrote:Im not saying its right mate but have wire or hull been given any such fines? they are worse than yours

I call that going on the offensive against my club.

This whole episode was literally "an accident (sic) waiting to happen", and unfortunately for Cas (as a club) are the first to take the rap for it. Hope Cas as a club bounce back, the offenders are found and banned from every ground in the country, and we move on.

Strewth, even the Rugby League hating BBC news have put this on their radio bulletins this morning.

Equity? Balance? Fairness? Strange concepts to a Wiganner maybe, but quite a lot of people stand by them.


No, but if a taxi driver was hauled before the courts for not having a bale of hay in his boot (or whatever the archaic law is) then he might have cause to wonder why he's the only one picked on when it's patently obvious that every f**ker else is breaking the same law too.


They took steps. As I understand it they made tannoy announcements and sent stewards into the crowd.


Again, as I understand it Cas have had CCTV installed to monitor the crowd, but perhaps we're missing a trick here. Do other clubs insist on passports and DNA swabs?


They did challenge it. You concede they 'may' be able to appeal this.


No idea if they did, but the word 'meaningful' makes this entirely subjective anyway.

Who would have been fined had it been Cas fans chanting at Wrexham?

If it had been Leeds fans chanting at Wrexham Cas would prob have been fined.

That is still no reason to complain that you have been caught not doing enough to stop the abusive chanting. There is, as yet, no evidence that such chanting has been heard at other games so the point is mute.



Then if all these steps have been taken, the fine will have to be revoked and an apology served from Red Hall, won't it. Maybe an internal inquiry could be held at Cas to find out why this evidence of what the club did (which only seems to have appeared very late in this thread) was not presented when the fine was first imposed.


Many items in law are subjective, being decided ultimately by tribunals, majistrates, and judges. That doesn't lessen their validity.

How do you stop some fool from shouting abuse ?

=#8000FFDuck tape?

Its a shame for cas that they have a small minority of fans that keep causing the club so much trouble! the homosexuality through choice remark was aimed at others,apologies if you thought otherwise.

Quote ="Riggins"The RFL have set a very high bar now regarding not tolerrating discriminations against players. I do hope they do not think it is OK to make fun out of people with ginger hair as that would be the same of this issue. I would fully expect them now to come down on Leeds and Wigan after the below comments; www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... lens-leeds viewtopic.php?f=28&t=455274&start=0 www.nonleagueforum.co.uk/viewtop ... pid=233608'" As ever Si i bow to your aptitude, not alot of responses though, i wonder why

Quote ="Riggins"The RFL have set a very high bar now regarding not tolerrating discriminations against players. I do hope they do not think it is OK to make fun out of people with ginger hair as that would be the same of this issue. I would fully expect them now to come down on Leeds and Wigan after the below comments; www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... lens-leeds viewtopic.php?f=28&t=455274&start=0 www.nonleagueforum.co.uk/viewtop ... pid=233608'" As ever Si i bow to your aptitude, not alot of responses though, i wonder why

Quote ="Riggins"The RFL have set a very high bar now regarding not tolerrating discriminations against players. I do hope they do not think it is OK to make fun out of people with ginger hair as that would be the same of this issue. I would fully expect them now to come down on Leeds and Wigan after the below comments; www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... lens-leeds Mute point as the player didn't complain (unless you are using the link to suggest GT shouldn't have complained?) viewtopic.php?f=28&t=455274&start=0 Wrong again but given this refers to comments on a thread not at the game (unless I've missed something) do you expect the RFL to take action based on what they read on a thread? If you do then hope they don't read this viewtopic.php?f=16&t=457708 www.nonleagueforum.co.uk/viewtop ... pid=233608 Given this a a football thread would you like to include the thuggery from football as well as their view on ginger people, or is it just a thread that fitted the argument?'"

Quote ="Riggins"The RFL have set a very high bar now regarding not tolerrating discriminations against players. I do hope they do not think it is OK to make fun out of people with ginger hair as that would be the same of this issue. I would fully expect them now to come down on Leeds and Wigan after the below comments; www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... lens-leeds Mute point as the player didn't complain (unless you are using the link to suggest GT shouldn't have complained?) viewtopic.php?f=28&t=455274&start=0 Wrong again but given this refers to comments on a thread not at the game (unless I've missed something) do you expect the RFL to take action based on what they read on a thread? If you do then hope they don't read this viewtopic.php?f=16&t=457708 www.nonleagueforum.co.uk/viewtop ... pid=233608 Given this a a football thread would you like to include the thuggery from football as well as their view on ginger people, or is it just a thread that fitted the argument?'"

I suppose you could argue the point is moot, but given that we're on 12 pages already, it's certainly not 'mute'.

Actually gareth thomas in one of his many interviews on the subject has said that he suffered similar chanting at another ground afterwards.

He's on the woe is me trip now thats for sure, TBH i couldnt give a To$$ what GT thinks, And lets face it, the RFL doesnt give a To$$ what i think so all is fair in war as they say

Correct, only one incy wincy problem mate, the RFL are not the judicery are they? So their findings are subjective and hopefully will be decided by judges

Mmm so what have you got to say about the old whino's disgusting scenes then ie...............

This incy wincy little thing, but hey dont let that stop you spouting your usual e eh

Yup, as a Saints fan I can vouch for that. One of our stewards was beaten up by a Wigan fan and then they wrecked some of Knowsley Road's classiest corrugated iron wall and then to top things off they threw beer and other debris at our players after we beat them at their pad. So Pieman and his lot are in no place to comment upon the weirdos in other fanbases. They have a troublesome number of their own that they should worry about first. We have no trouble with any other fans. Hull KR fans are fun though - they sometimes fight each other!

Is this some sort of right-wing christian nutters' board, or what?

Pathetic.

The fine's too low, if you all think like that.

Anti scemetics are against the RFL rules, so why have you got a religious hate on Right Wing Christians ?