So that would beg the question, does discounting ticket prices really work or would the crowd have been worse at full price?
Personally I think they've just lost money as the ones that wre going to go went and the floating supporters watched it on TV.

Last week when Huddersfield played Warrington, I read a conversation on my facebook wall! One of my friends (who is from Halifax) was saying what a good day he and some of my other friends had had in one of the boxes at the Hudds game. Someone else from Halifax then replied saying they were in the box next door and they had a good day. These are all people that used to watch Fax at one time. I'm not sure of the reasons or the solutions but it depresses the hell out of me!

They only had a good day 'cos giants lost!

I could never get enthused about watching anyone else. OK, I might have an afternoon out eating prawn sandwiches in a warm box but I would never pay good money to switch allegiances. I wouldn't class these as "fans", more spectators.

Same here. I will watch Halifax whatever level they play at be that SL or a similar level to Town. If Fax went out of business I would not be watching another team.

Starbug is spot on. We aren't competing for fans from Leigh. We need to attract the fans from Calderdale who choose to go watch Leeds, Bradford or Huddersfield. We need to attract people from Calderdale to come to the Shay. Doing it is a different matter. The RLWC was marketed to the Calderdale public and 90% of the people who bought tickets were from Calderdale. What are we doing to entice them in to trying out watching Fax?

If and when we get into Super League and can compete against these sides we may be able to attract these fans, until then we will struggle to do so because as you say they have already chosen to watch the teams in the higher league.

Why did they choose to go and watch these teams in the first place?

Many reasons, some are.

Until this year the chance for Fax to make any progress out of the Championship didn't even exist.

The chance of going to Wembley was zero.

The chance of going to Old Trafford was zero.

They did not want to spend money watching a lower standard of play in a competition that lead nowhere so they went where the big games and the big crowds already were.

Ask them yourself, if they are prepared to "down grade" their afternoons game of rugby for what is on offer at the Shay or anywhere else.

Ask them if they would rather pay to watch Leeds or get in free at the Shay.

I know a few of the supporters (spectators) who watch these sides and they want to be associated with "winners" and the excitement and feel good factor that goes with it.

With their hard earned cash or even their bulging wallets they are paying for more than watching a game or a team, can't anyone see this, in there couple of hours away from the norm they want to be entertained at the highest level.

Even if we somehow get into SL to be able to compete against the likes of Leeds is in my opinion not realistic in the short term and would be an incredible achievement in the long term.

The best we can hope for and realistically budget for is to get into SL, initially hold our own, not get relegated and then to compete with the middle order clubs who are in there.

To get into SL we will have to first be better on the field than all our current rivals and the two teams that get relegated from SL this year.

The two teams that come down will have a significant financial advantage and if we finish third or below so will the two above us from our division.

It's all well and good saying market this or we need to do this or that but someone say how it can be done as things stand at the moment both in and away from the game.

To compare watching the one off game from the RLWC to the regular choice of watching either Fax or Leeds for anyone who is not a Fax supporter at this point in time or any time soon is clearly is a miss match in comparisons.

The RFL will not give the club access to the data from the World Cup.

Faxcar, it's the clubs job to promote and increase the business. Simple as that, example from me. I sent a message on Facebook about dining package formleigh on Sunday. No acknowledgment or response yet they can repost everyone else's comments. I sent a message on twitter as this seems to be where they are more familiar. I got followed but no reply or response regarding dining package. This was over weekend and yesterday. I don't have time to call during the day due to work commitments. So I'm excluded really even though I was trying to book for 4. Since then I've arranged other things and going out the night before with the same 3 people. Clubs loss but a prime example of going backwards. I sent a tweet to Leigh regarding something and had a response within 2 hours.

It's slightly different from winning fans from Leeds, Bradford ETC but absolutely right and if that is how Fax are operating then it's not good enough and will have more outgoing than incoming.

Are you seeing this Halifax RL.

Is there a valid reason why one of your long time supporters can't be provided with a simple service or is it you or the food that's really that bad?

So you are happy for the club to do nothing?

That may be so. But how did these people find out about the game they bought tickets for? What made them buy tickets? The club need to create a buzz about it. As others have said. Some peoples perception now are of a club going no where and one that is struggling to pay the rent.

Quote ="Faxhali"Faxcar, it's the clubs job to promote and increase the business. Simple as that, example from me. I sent a message on Facebook about dining package formleigh on Sunday. No acknowledgment or response yet they can repost everyone else's comments. I sent a message on twitter as this seems to be where they are more familiar. I got followed but no reply or response regarding dining package. This was over weekend and yesterday. I don't have time to call during the day due to work commitments. So I'm excluded really even though I was trying to book for 4. Since then I've arranged other things and going out the night before with the same 3 people. Clubs loss but a prime example of going backwards. I sent a tweet to Leigh regarding something and had a response within 2 hours.'" Please send an email to info@halifaxrlfc.co.uk Or malcolm@halifaxrlfc.co.uk I'll get back to you ASAP

Quote ="Faxhali"Faxcar, it's the clubs job to promote and increase the business. Simple as that, example from me. I sent a message on Facebook about dining package formleigh on Sunday. No acknowledgment or response yet they can repost everyone else's comments. I sent a message on twitter as this seems to be where they are more familiar. I got followed but no reply or response regarding dining package. This was over weekend and yesterday. I don't have time to call during the day due to work commitments. So I'm excluded really even though I was trying to book for 4. Since then I've arranged other things and going out the night before with the same 3 people. Clubs loss but a prime example of going backwards. I sent a tweet to Leigh regarding something and had a response within 2 hours.'" Please send an email to info@halifaxrlfc.co.uk Or malcolm@halifaxrlfc.co.uk I'll get back to you ASAP

The RFL were selling tickets at £2.50

Were all tickets sold at £2.50?

Definately not i paid a tenner.

You should ask for your £7.50 back before it ends up in the Bradford Bulls survival fund.


Aahh, too late!

I thought it was £2.50 and a charitable donation to the Bulls for the rest.

Faxcar, what was Fax s ' status ' when you started following them? , and IYO what ' status ' is required to make marketing worthwhile?

Yes without doubt a competitive attractive brand of RL will help, but in sport that can be a difficult thing to guarantee, believe me, no ' cheap shots ' here, just a genuine interest in lower tier sports management

Where does that come from you asked yesterday ? , 4 years as a director at Leigh, 10 years as a shareholder and a not unconsiderable cash investement over that 4 years, with the following 5 spent trying to bring a new outlook to the clubs management and how it ' sells ' itself

Also an attempt 5 years ago to get the ' locked out ' Championships Clubs to look at working together, something that IMO could have been paying dividends for those clubs willing to open their eyes

I am fully aware how difficult it is to run a club at this level and the financial problems it can bring, but if you keep doing what you've always done, dont expect anything to change

All the best

No I paid more and most people did the club are saying that it was all due to the tickets being £2.50 which helped yes but it was the marketing that got people down the Shay it was everywhere, obviously the RFL pumped a lot into it and credit to them it worked. The club need to look at where they can get advertising in prime and very prminant places that won't cost the earth, it can be done.

Good Morning. I have replied to you directly to your Facebook message.

This last weekend I was on holiday with Mrs Fax and I asked some of folk down at the club to look after the social media while I was away. They aren't that clued up on what goes on as its not part of their job on a game weekend.

Sorry about the radio silence but I am back now. And yes I do prefer using Twitter - I can respond far quicker.

Hope that helps.

Yours

Mr Fax

Sorry I don't understand the your "where does that come from you asked",comment I can't see where I did that.

Anyway. To be honest my thoughts are the status of Fax when I first started to watch them is as it has always been, in a cycle of some good times and some not so good times, it seems to be part and parcel of the game for most clubs.

On that subject looking back and seeing how some of the bad times were possibly self inflicted by the abuse given to a former owner and his family leading to him walking away was why I posted.

My post was to ask people to consider if it was ground hog day with a current director, some whisperings have suggested it may be.

As I do with most things I rather focus on the good I know for a fact that person has done, I was not at the time commenting on marketing as a strategy but simply pointing out some truthful positives from a different area.

On status and looking back there is some benefit in doing so but you have to be aware of if what was relevant then is relevant now.

A lot has changed in just say the last 20 years, a whole new generation has come along with a different mind set and with a lot more vying for their time and money, on entertainment / recreation the world is built on it, the entire system is built on marketing their brand.

A repetitive theme is, "The Best" we have and you want it.

The best phone the best i pad, the best excitement / entertainment, it's to do with what looks good to the eye that gets your first attention and then once you take a look it has to be good quality and good value other wise it ends up in the bin never to be used again.

Market and budget with that in mind, to be better than your current competition that's the status you need to have.

It's how you show the public the above where the real challenge lies and I believe that is where Fax fans feel the club could do more, obviously it's no good being the best if no one knows about it.

So can Fax put a PDF of the game adverts on the website to allow people to download and print them, they can then put them up in their locale and it may add a few to the crowd.

Mr Fax?

Got it, cheers Mr Fax.