A Matt Calland comment - Hope he doesn't regret it, or do I?

Although Widnes look in a stronger position for next round of franchises I think Fax would be a better long term prospect for s/l - we are the sleeping giants!

Thats the thing ,theres more claims to be sleeping giants in RL than most sports. The team who are now classed as small fry , but where the last outside SL to have a continued run of sucssess are Widnes , 75-93 . Alot of succsess in those 18 years but its almost as long without now.

To be honest though , if next season is as competetive as lasts , we in the CHAMPIONSHIP are in for a cracker . Shame the same cant be said about the holy grail of SL .

The Vicar

Wash your mouth out. Don't you listen to Eddie and Stevo?

"Oh boy oh boy, Super League just gets better and better".


Actually if i'm honest i watch one SL match a week on telly. It has changed a lot and the ball handling skills and fancy footwork have long since disappeared but it's still Rugby League. The alternative is unappealing - soccer and family fortunes.

I personally like a few championship teams given a chance such as widnes,leigh,fax and barrow.Get rid of celtic,salford,wakefield and castleford and see their reactions on their fans forum.Seems to me that jack is alright and they all dont care about our clubs.

From a purely anarchistic point o view I love that idea

You are playing for the prestige of winning one or more of the following..
The Northern Rail Cup
The Co-operative Championship league Leaders Shield
The Co-operative Championship Grand Final

Meanwhile away from the playing side you have the option of trying to build your club so that in other aspects it is one of the best fourteen clubs in Europe.

And Salford thought they would be sitting in a landmark RL purpose built stadium from next year onwards....
You are more like the comatose giants. I've not seen anything from Fax to suggest you would be right. If you were getting 4 - 5k fans or maybe season ticket sales of 3k then maybe but on crowds of 2.5k you are seriously deluded.

So you are saying Widnes arent ready then as you are not getting them either?

Widnes are the best supported club outside super league and have been for a number of years, that figure above is what you would need to jump above us IMO which you are not going to do. I like Halifax but one does have to question what you are bringing to the table in terms of talent. You have still yet to announce any sort of youth setup and have a rather extensive overseas contingent in your team. Stanley Gene has been a fantastic servant to the game over in this country and he is loved by all including me who think he has been a great player but is now approaching the final hurdle. Your recruitment smacks of short term thinking and nothing more. Your coach is also very questionable in terms of his behaviour and any other board would have booted him out by now. Infrastrutuce is key to any business and we have it all setup to be a decent force in super dooper league.


2015 for Halifax and i will be supporting your franchise bid should you improve on your obvious flaws.

You keep telling yourself that VM. We dont need to have 3000 season ticket holders to jump above you, nor do we have to average 5000 crowds. But it would be fantastic if we did. What do Widnes bring to the table?....average youngsters.....big financial losses.....recent adminsitration...poor team performances..crowds that are reducing....failed SL coach. I hope you dont go to the wall before the next round of licences. However, with their now being a SL team in Wrexham...is there any need to have Widnes in SL? Only time will tell.

I dont need to tell myself anything it's a fact, Halifax have a long way to go before they can start challenging for that franchise spot. Take a look at the number of Yorkshire teams already in Super League.


The big loss was down to a new gym under the north stand and 80% of stadium getting new seats, a big cost also went on the license build up. I think every Super League club made a loss last year except Hull, Take a look at Huddersfields losses and Harlequins and Hull KR (I can go on)

The people who know (Elders of this board) know im right, your not a 100 miles away but you still have a fair bit to go.

We have all the silverware in the cabinet and have been in numerous finals over the years.

Your the little sister to Widnes, you have to accept that and come to terms with it.

Yours in sport

VIKINGMAN

Saints, Warrington and Wigan don't count then?

Huddersfield
Bradford
Leeds
Cas
Wakefield
Hull
Hull KR

Hull and KR are only 1 hour from most of the above.

Add Halifax and you might as well get Emmerdale to Sponsor Super League.

The elevation of Widnes to Super league is a foregone conclusion and it's pointless debating it although i disagree with Vikingman about the squad we've put together and his unecessary swipe at the personal behaviour of a man he knows very little about. Vikingman - that's squad's been put together to entertain the fans of Halifax RLFC in 2010 - not to fill the gap until a SL squad is signed up in preparation to 2012. That squad will put Halifax at the top of the pile next year - in my opinion.

I think the key debate next year will focus on the current clubs under threat in Super League and whether the RFL will have the balls to kick anyone out. I think that, come 2011 there will be more clubs that pass the RFL's licence criteria than there are places available. In those circumstances how do they choose? The[i subjectivity [/iof the whole process will be shown up in big neon lights in 2011.

No doubt it would be Wakey, Salford or Cas who came down, if any club from our league was to go up, we could take their place

True your squad has been assembled to entertain but it's short term thinking. pressure is on next year and lets see if your squad can handle it. As for Calland well lets just say he gives us Widnes folk a bad name.

VM is only reacting to the incessant trolling from some of your fellow Halifax fans. In that light, he’s every right to say what he thinks on the merit of both clubs.

If you’ve put your hands up, in surrender of a future licence in 2012, then that’s up to you and your club. Personally, I think Halifax have recruited a bunch of over-the-hill ex pro’s, to win as much as possible, in a vain attempt at trying to make up were they are lacking everywhere else in their 2012 bid.

That’s the sad reality imo.

Why is it short term? Do you really think many of your squad will survive the Super League shopping spree? The Championship squad of a club in 2010 will resemble nothing like the squad that will compete in SL in 2012 and that's a fact. I do concede your point about the youth set up. We had one and it bore little fruit despite sweeping all aside with three titles. A rethink is needed by the club as to how to develop a meaningful reserve grade(s). As for the Calland comments - i see what's happened - you've succumbed to the baiting on your board by a Fax fan and dragged yourself down to the level of personal insults. Perfectly understandable.

....yes i've just seen it.

Privately i'm glad. Ticking boxes and finishing sixth will put me to sleep. We're behind the eight ball in terms of a 2012 licence so i'm glad our club have decided to entertain and play Rugby League. The time for ticking boxes will have to come in 2014.

I disagree for starters about a championship squad not assembling a super league squad come 2012, that is the whole point of bring through at least 5 or 6 players from your own academy setup.

Flynn/Mullally/Kavanagh/Hulme/Grady/Houghton should all be ready to step up to Super League come 2012, you will have i would say another 6 who might make the step up to Super League. depending on recruitment for the start of the 2012 season. Clubs will know the decision well before this time so it does give you the chance to recruit well for 2011. Halifax if given the nod would have to recruit an entire squad.

The constant trolling on our own board has become a joke, every thread is commented on by a Halifax fan and it's rather annoying. The constant bigging up of yourselves is also bordering on the comical as you havent won anything for years and now your suddenly gods gift on the rugby field. I do my fair share of friendly trolling but nothing compares to the idiotic Halifax fans.

So you've written off Widnes' squad totally?

Will there be a guaranteed place for a Championship squad after 2012?

I doubt it. By then most of the lower league clubs will be nothing more than feeder clubs imo.

Well - it aint me. I stopped posting on your board weeks ago for that very reason. I think they're getting they're own back for past deeds mr Vikingman



Unfortunately the more you feed the more they eat.

No not at all but it isn't overly spectacular and i honestly think that ours is better - just in my opinion. You may be right about 2012 and beyond but quite frankly what's happened in Wales this week means that not even the RFL have a figgity clue what they're doing about Rugby League - short term or long.

Hope your not counting me in that. I enjoy a good debate as much as the next person, and the boards would be boring if there was no one to disagree with. Ive posted on other boards for years and will continue to do so.

Usually its pretty easy to flick through posts by people who add no worth to the topic. Also as much as i like winding you up VM, i do respect your opinion and your love of the game.