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| Quote ="chris_smith"I understand banter and enjoy it BUT for me Fev were appalling last night. They again were goading, being intimidating and aggressive full stop. They should in my humble opinion been respectful that it was a low life representing there village that caused serious injury to an innocent fan. I've stood in many rugby grounds and been subjected to "banter" but for me constantly gesticulating with a clenched fist, 2 fingered salutes and the w@nker sign constantly together with the hilarious chant of W@nki Fax summed it up. RFF if you can condone what I heard and saw as normal I must have watched rugby for the last 30 Plus years with my blinkers on! Agreed we all have elements of idiots but it was collective last night and lacked in my opinion respect for a fan and need I say a club this event badly effected. I just think Fev fans were disgusting last night and if it was my club I would have been ashamed.'"
Excellent post, someone finally gets to the main point. A lot of what went on last night may have been passed over in the past. RFF comes across as a really good guy and a top bloke. But it is the people that acted like they did that need to be addressed by the good contingent and make them realise that in the contextt of what had happened it was highly inappropriate.
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| Quote ="chris_smith"I understand banter and enjoy it BUT for me Fev were appalling last night. They again were goading, being intimidating and aggressive full stop. quote
Sorry cock, if I'd have seen that I would agree, but I didn't and dont.
Quote ="chris_smith" They should in my humble opinion been respectful that it was a low life representing there village that caused serious injury to an innocent fan. .'"
I accept nothing of the sort. the people who did that represent me in NO way whatsoever! End of!!
Quote ="chris_smith" I've stood in many rugby grounds and been subjected to "banter" but for me constantly gesticulating with a clenched fist, 2 fingered salutes and the w@nker sign constantly together with the hilarious chant of W@nki Fax summed it up. RFF if you can condone what I heard and saw as normal I must have watched rugby for the last 30 Plus years with my blinkers on! Agreed we all have elements of idiots but it was collective last night and lacked in my opinion respect for a fan and need I say a club this event badly effected. I just think Fev fans were disgusting last night and if it was my club I would have been ashamed.'" '"
Like has been said on here, and the reason I have not gone down this route is that the tit-for-tat circle goes on and solves nowt - but the stick your f*__in flat caps up your @r_se wasn't out of Keats or Wordsworth was it?? On walking out of the grounds we got the preverbial kuwaiti tanker signs, the v's etc from some (younger) fax fans! I don't particularly condone it but if you believe Fax fans are not guilty of it (en masse as Nat suggested earleir) then you're blinkered or deluded! It happens, it always has done - BY ALL CLUBS!! The vitriol from some of the fax fans was equal to that you describe. Recounting it on here or debating in circles on here with me solves nowt.
As for the respect thing you attempt to heap my/our way. - I hope Dave recovers and I hope the mattered is resolved and quickly, though I doubt it will. But I have done nor said anything wrong to anybody - ever - and I refuse to be made to feel guilty about it by you or anyone else!
Your analysis of last nights crowd lacks a good deal of analysis, a considerable amount of bias and needless emotive comment.
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| Quote ="j a c k o"Excellent post, someone finally gets to the main point. A lot of what went on last night may have been passed over in the past. RFF comes across as a really good guy and a top bloke. But it is the people that acted like they did that need to be addressed by the good contingent and make them realise that in the contextt of what had happened it was highly inappropriate.'"
Cheers jacko, but in response to your comment, I believe that the issue has been addressed by the overwhelming majority. Scores of fans have helped the police with their enquiries. However, in an isolated incident, with no other witnesses, it is difficult to secure the evidence that will bring about a prosecution despite their best efforts so far.
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| and on that issue of last night, and events last Autumn, I think it's time for me to bail out as I feel I've said my bit, answered the points from a fev fans perspective.
Keep smiling - this topic is done for me now!
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| Quote ="Trustafox"Can't understand any fan boycotting a game. Just seems completely alien to me. Firstly, why choose to miss one of your own teams games? Secondly, why add something to fuel an increasing strain in the relationship between 2 clubs? Do we really want to get to a point of Fev vs Fax needing a ridiculous amount of extra policing every season because our fans can't manage to watch a game of rugby in a civilised manner?'"
totally agree, its pathetic that people are going to miss the game, its not just Featherstone "fans", a lot of our "fans" we're causing trouble, some maybe more that the Fev ones, unfair to tarnish everybody with the same brush.
If people want to miss the game then its up to them but i think they are making it worse, going on about it and kicking up a fuss makes it more likely for something to happen, if we just forget about it things will probably blow over!!
We had trouble a few years back at Widnes with them bricking the supporters coach window but no one boycotted that game and there has been no major trouble since, its rugby league fgs!
Btw i use the term fan in the loosest possible way.
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| Sorry RFF but I simply can't agree with everything you post in reply..... Firstly in the build up to the game all I heard Fax sing was Championies etc. Fev however come back with W@nki Fax etc. From sitting in the East Stand I found the atmosphere hostile at best intimidating in reality. Fev fans had an opportunity to show the world of RL that the incident at Wire was a one off an opportunity missed in my opinion having watched their behaviour. Fax fans are not whiter than White and we all had concerns!! I even offered the club to do a meet and greet on the way to the ground but Halifax were reluctant as they were certain that Fev would behave and relations between the 2 clubs are very good. All the aggressive chanting originated from Fev and Fax retaliated and I don't condone that either! As for the idiots not representing you well again I'm afraid media and police labelled the cowards involved as Featherstone fans and I'm afraid mud sticks. I'm certainly not saying either that you or the majority are not decent people or fans as I'm sure you are. Collectively last night as a group of fans I thought "Fev" provoked and goaded and were the instigators of an atmosphere I and many around me found both aggressive and hostile. It's human nature to retaliate and Fax were dragged into it through the Fev goading. I am only saying it as I saw it whilst trying to be subjective as a Fax fan but if the shoe was on other foot I'd be pretty upset at my own fans.
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| Quote ="MalcolmAgarsTieUps"Reading everything in this thread, I can't believe you're of the attitude that it's a football thing & doesn't happen in rugby.
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"I have my own views thanks and yes I won't deny that is that Fax fans should boycott this match.
Why?
Well I did not enjoy the Fev fans at the GF all day long and I was not beaten up on the day because of one decent Fev fan who told me to put my flag away as 'this lot you don't want to mess with' on my way to the coach park!
But the biggest thing for me is the culprit is still out there and some Fev fans are covering up for them.
I am one of 7 [ihome and away [/iFax fans who feel this way mate. I hate missing games but sometimes your principles are worth more than a rugby match.'"
You have no idea if anyone is covering up or not, you know nothing about the police investigation, yes its best YOU dont come to the game at Fev, people like you are not welcome, you call our fans but it seems to be overlooked that you have some right bother causing little shiiites that follow fax, like the little scroat that tried to nick my hat in the semi, lucky he didnt get his teeth knocked down his throat, but as my son was with me i left it. No one can tell me what Fev fans are like i have been following them for over 30 years and seen some pretty bad incidents in those times, but as long as i behave myself that is all i can do, but good god man open your eyes and ears, i have been to Fax more times than i care to remember over the years and in general they are good fans colourful and vocal i always enjoy playing them but i have seen some right ass wipes as well
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| Quote ="gingdong"You have no idea if anyone is covering up or not, you know nothing about the police investigation, yes its best YOU dont come to the game at Fev, people like you are not welcome, you call our fans but it seems to be overlooked that you have some right bother causing little shiiites that follow fax, like the little scroat that tried to nick my hat in the semi, lucky he didnt get his teeth knocked down his throat, but as my son was with me i left it. No one can tell me what Fev fans are like i have been following them for over 30 years and seen some pretty bad incidents in those times, but as long as i behave myself that is all i can do, but good god man open your eyes and ears, i have been to Fax more times than i care to remember over the years and in general they are good fans colourful and vocal i always enjoy playing them but i have seen some right ass wipes as well'"
You are one of the reasons Fev have a bad name currently!! Re read your post and F4L original posting you quote and tell me why you are so angry?? It's fair to say having watched myself the video Cheshire Police have released of the incident there are several people stood around not physically taking part but who must surely know who these individuals are??? Someone is doing the cowardly thing and not coming forward!! Do you condone that??? Your post is very aggressive and you carry on by saying a fax fan touched your hat and you wanted to smash his teeth in??? You really are a pr@t if you think intimidating posts like that are acceptable. Come on for gods sake!!
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| Quote ="chris_smith"You are one of the reasons Fev have a bad name currently!! Re read your post and F4L original posting you quote and tell me why you are so angry?? It's fair to say having watched myself the video Cheshire Police have released of the incident there are several people stood around not physically taking part but who must surely know who these individuals are??? Someone is doing the cowardly thing and not coming forward!! Do you condone that??? Your post is very aggressive and you carry on by saying a fax fan touched your hat and you wanted to smash his teeth in??? You really are a pr@t if you think intimidating posts like that are acceptable. Come on for gods sake!!'"
How am i one of the reasons, i went to the grand final drank all day got on the bus and went home without a wrong word to anyone
You have no idea who those people stood around are or where there from, you have no idea if they are Fev or Fax fans, you have no idea what the police have been told, you can name a person but it means jak without any concrete evidence to back it up, it will get laughed out of court and the police know it.
The Fax scroat wiped my hat of my head laughing his tiny mind off with his silly little m8s, yes i wanted to wack him no bother as would most people. My post is aggressive because when we played you 2 seasons ago at the shay there was problems in the crowd with fax fans throwing stuff goading and acting like little chavs all game, people on here were moaning about the unruley element and were sick of it, i would find the thread if i could be bothered, that now seems to be forgotten. There is an element of Fax fans that are trouble causing little scroats and its frustrating to read all threads just hammering our fans
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| Quote ="gingdong"You have no idea if anyone is covering up or not, you know nothing about the police investigation, yes its best YOU dont come to the game at Fev, people like you are not welcome, you call our fans but it seems to be overlooked that you have some right bother causing little shiiites that follow fax, like the little scroat that tried to nick my hat in the semi, lucky he didnt get his teeth knocked down his throat, but as my son was with me i left it. No one can tell me what Fev fans are like i have been following them for over 30 years and seen some pretty bad incidents in those times, but as long as i behave myself that is all i can do, but good god man open your eyes and ears, i have been to Fax more times than i care to remember over the years and in general they are good fans colourful and vocal i always enjoy playing them but i have seen some right ass wipes as well'"
What?
Come on take your flat cap off pal, a man was NEARLY KILLED by a Fev fan in a coach park with two Fev coaches passing the incident as it happened and yet you claim that nobody is covering up for somebody?
You also ignore my point about the nasty atmosphere all day from Fev fans (pubs in the town centre closed early - fact) plus the kind Fev fan saving my bacon from a possible confrontation with these thgs when he told me to put my flag away on my way to my coach just after poor David's kicking!
So you say I am not welcome at Post Office Road, says it all really glad I won't be there as while most clubs have some poor fans even we have a FEW but proportionately Fev have the most!
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"What?
Come on take your flat cap off pal, a man was NEARLY KILLED by a Fev fan in a coach park with two Fev coaches passing the incident as it happened and yet you claim that nobody is covering up for somebody?
You also ignore my point about the nasty atmosphere all day from Fev fans (pubs in the town centre closed early - fact) plus the kind Fev fan saving my bacon from a possible confrontation with these thgs when he told me to put my flag away on my way to my coach just after poor David's kicking!
So you say I am not welcome at Post Office Road, says it all really glad I won't be there as while most clubs have some poor fans even we have a FEW but proportionately Fev have the most!'"
Ring Warrington CID and ask them if anyone is covering up i think you will be surprised at there answer, its not easy to get a conviction in this country without solid evidence someone ringing up and giving a name is NOT EVIDENCE.
As regards not going to POR do what you like, i hope David makes a full recovery but i didnt kick his or anyone elses head i never abused anyone as well. What you call banter i call pathetic goading,
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| Quote ="gingdong"Ring Warrington CID and ask them if anyone is covering up i think you will be surprised at there answer, its not easy to get a conviction in this country without solid evidence someone ringing up and giving a name is NOT EVIDENCE.
As regards not going to POR do what you like, i hope David makes a full recovery but i didnt kick his or anyone elses head i never abused anyone as well. What you call banter i call pathetic goading,'"
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| Re the CCTV footage - it isn't clear which supporters the coaches driving past were carrying.
Re 2 seasons ago at the shay, been stood on a level with Fev supporters I can't say whether or not things were thrown from further up the stand (I was looking at the pitch and talking to friends until trouble caught my attention - so not saying there wasn't any provocation) - what I did see was Fev fans mouthing off at Fax fans walking back up to the stand, Fax fans having something to say back then a Fev supporter throwing punches - to be fair to those around him they put him in the middle of the group where he couldn't cause trouble and they kept him there. Until the end of the game when he got on the pitch. That is just 1 idiot but that is what people remember and is the generalised. That is the reason that I sit in the East Stand - I know there are Fax fans that would retaliate and fight back and I don't want to be there when it does.
The problem is this is still fresh in everyones minds and there will be media interest in this fixture cos of what happened. BOTH sets of fans need to realise that and use these fixtures going forward to show that RL is a friendly game and that fans can mix without trouble. However with idiots following both that's difficult.
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| Does this squabbling really help? Well done Halifax Evening (Morning) Courier on helping stir things up again. We've got 2 sides that are capable of providing far better entertainment than a lot of the sooper dooper league clubs. Why are we letting a handful of dorks from BOTH clubs distract us from this?
Rotherham Fev fan see you on 15th May let me know which boozer beforehand
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| Quote ="Leon Ashton"Does this squabbling really help? Well done Halifax Evening (Morning) Courier on helping stir things up again. We've got 2 sides that are capable of providing far better entertainment than a lot of the sooper dooper league clubs. Why are we letting a handful of dorks from BOTH clubs distract us from this?
Rotherham Fev fan see you on 15th May let me know which boozer beforehand
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| I'd just like to apologise for some of the comments I made about the ref. The sentiment remains but the language was at times inappropriate.
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| There is no evidence that they were Fev fans. On the CCTV I cant see a shirt or flat cap. From what I have heard they didnt get on a coach afterwards. They might have been random just out looking for somebody to attack. Although the arrests made were in and around Fev I believe.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"There is no evidence that they were Fev fans. On the CCTV I cant see a shirt or flat cap. From what I have heard they didnt get on a coach afterwards. They might have been random just out looking for somebody to attack. Although the arrests made were in and around Fev I believe.'"
Jeez you are taking the PC and peace to the world (Fev fans) line here mate surely???
Leave it out, come on why would anybody esle be there at that time plus as always the losing teams coaches always leave before the winners coaches like us the year before remember? Also the police I believe have confirmed they were Fev coaches passing.
You one of them left wing the world is a nice place but for some nasty people so lets treat all as equals types??
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"There is no evidence that they were Fev fans. On the CCTV I cant see a shirt or flat cap. From what I have heard they didnt get on a coach afterwards. They might have been random just out looking for somebody to attack. Although the arrests made were in and around Fev I believe.'"
I think you are wrong and its quite clear that people from the Featherstone area (Would not say they are fans) were involved. I also believe certain Fev fans know who it was and have reported what they know. I also am of the opinion others do not want to say for various reasons maybe friends or are related to the cowards or maybe are in fear of them. I do not blamd Fev Club or the fans as a whole. But sadly there is a element at Featherstone that are intent on causing problems as there is at most clubs. I also feel clubs (not just Fev) need to get rid of this element and if found guilty of ever causing problems facing a ban from all RL Grounds for life. I think something similar happens in soccer.
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"Jeez you are taking the PC and peace to the world (Fev fans) line here mate surely???
Leave it out, come on why would anybody esle be there at that time plus as always the losing teams coaches always leave before the winners coaches like us the year before remember? Also the police I believe have confirmed they were Fev coaches passing.
You one of them left wing the world is a nice place but for some nasty people so lets treat all as equals types??
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No he isnt talking PC like he said wheres the evidence? that is why there hasnt been any convictions
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"There is no evidence that they were Fev fans. On the CCTV I cant see a shirt or flat cap. From what I have heard they didnt get on a coach afterwards. They might have been random just out looking for somebody to attack. Although the arrests made were in and around Fev I believe.'"
The 3 men arrested were from Ponte and were released without charge
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| Quote ="gingdong"No he isnt talking PC like he said wheres the evidence? that is why there hasnt been any convictions'"
That proves nothing my friend, I am getting angry that SOME fans, from mainly Fev, think that this is a nothing story and that somehow their fans may not be resposnible and are trying to deflcet the blame.
That is disrepectful to the innocent victim of this and like all cases in law you have to have cast iron evidence before you can convict somebody in England which does not mean it did not happen.
Please give it a rest now, there is still a man very poorly after all said and done and all of us, me included should think about him first.
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| I dont comment alot on here but you are right Fax4Life people should let this drop from the forum and get back to talking rugby. I do look on the DS thread and i hope he makes a full recovery and get back to supporting the team he loves.
As for Fev having trouble causes i dont remember where there was any trouble at any other match last year where Fev played and yes i was at them all with my 2 daughter.
Hope to see your supporters at our place this year singing and backing YOUR team and may the best team win.
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"
Ok then matey your getting angry are you well i will tell you a story that makes me very angry, you know nothing, Darryl Powel the Rovers coach told me himself that a woman rang him just after the game and said her and her daughter dont drink so were sober at the games end, they walked to there coach and saw a load of Halifax fans battling amongst themselves and a person laid out on the floor. Darryl Powel passed this onto the police,as i did when interviewed, and i may add i was only interviewed because i booked a coach as it was part of the elimination process.
There is a lad seriously ill yes and if you want to do him any favours you will keep you inaccurate views to yourself AND LET THE POLICE DO THERE JOB
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