Hey, the Old Crocs aren't the only ones who've pulled this type of stunt, the Halifax Vandals did a similar thing about three or four years ago with Sowerby Bridge Rangers juniors. I'm not going to go into the why's or why not's on a public internet forum and I know a lot of the facts surrounding both of these events, having been involved with the junior rugby league sides running out of the RU clubs. I know that through my involvement with the Calderdale service area ( the district representative organisation ) that the Old Brods has also been used in recent seasons for training facilities and also used by Halifax RLFC for the same purpose, as well as the Halifax & district rugby league committee to host local amateur cup finals as well as Old Rishy's at Copley, Heath RU club is currently being used by one of the local high schools within our district to play school matches, this high school is a sports academy BTW. Ovenden Park has also been used in recent seasons to host rugby league reserve fixtures.
In all honesty, I couldn't give a monkeys about what bitterness has gone on in the past, time has to move on and any club or organisation has to make the most of whatever resources they can. On this singular occassion I cannot see what harm it causes using Old Crocs, I intend being there for the game and that's it. Those posters & lurkers who know me personally will know that I very rarely used the bar facilities after watching my lad in his four seasons as a KXP open age player before he moved on to pastures new this season. If anyone wishes to know my reasons as to why I didn't use the bar it's simple, I didn't want to....
Amongst all this political tripe, I'm looking forward to seeing plenty of local young lads wearing the Halifax shirt with pride and playing their dreams out, hoping to move into a career with Halifax RLFC in future years. I wish them and the venture well, I know Martin Gonzales is a very astute student of rugby league and the club are fortunate to have him amongst their staff, give him a couple of years working with these lads and the club will reap the rewards.

honestly cannot believe how some ppl are willing to move on and forgot about what old crossleyans did. King Cross Park are the second largest amateur rugby league club in the area, and old crossleyans threw them out at short notice, to get rfu funding! Park youngsters now have to play at royles head. Tell me how many young kids want to travel up there on a cold wet winters morning. Not many! I cannot imagine how many players King cross park have lost from this digusting incident. And before someone tells me i do not know what i am talking about, i was one of the people turfed out.

Unfortunatly for you, The Old Crocs is first and formost a rugby union club and clubhouse, In these times of economic hardship i am affraid business is business and they have to look out for themselves, If this is what they had to do to get funding then so be it, Thats business and it keeps their club going.

Too Many people on here are ranting becuase they feel personally wronged. If it was a case of HRLFC having to try and turf out the Football club to get funding and keep the club alive then all the rugby supporteds would back it. ( all theoretical of course ).

Its not nice what happened to the King cross club but thats the way it goes.

Surely in difficult economic times you should try to maximise all income streams rather than cutting off one, or am I missing something?

I have first hand experience of Union National people coming down 5 minutes before the start of a important game and saying to a decent Union player who was getting payed his accomodation by a Union club "If you play League then you will never play Representative Union again and we will make your life difficult at your club!" This happened in 2007 and admittedly not in England. I also know Union officials to tell players if they even trained in Rugby League they would be not welcome at the club-again this in the last 5 years. I know some Union people in the Yorkshire area who have similar thoughts and Union people are sneaky as they verbally threaten people so you need physical evidence of something to take it further to a court or Sport England. With no physical evidence you can do nothing. If anybody thinks any Union club are doing us ( Fax or amateur Club) then you are completely wrong!. Trust nobody in Union as they have little interest in seeing League getting bigger and better.

In my case it's simple, 'cos I choose to !
If you heathens that still stand arch backed with anger every time you hear the words "rugby" and "union" together don't watch yourselves, you'll end up not supporting certain players in rugby league teams 'cos they've come from RU backgrounds in the past. Let it go...
KXP could have merged couldn't they, I can think of several amateur clubs in this district who are stuggling to turn out a side every weekend, some of them with their own facilities too. It's not that I don't have any sympathy with KXP's plight, 'cos on a personal note, i spent a lot of my free time involved on a voluntary basis with the club for a couple of years, but to ask people not to go & have a drink in the bar is beyond belief to me. As I posted last night, I intend watching the game and going straight home afterwards, other people might choose to stay & socialise. I've a fridge full of beer at home anyway if i want a drink, and the beer in the club is nightclub prices and rubbish anyway...

It is obvious that there is bitterness towards the Crocs, and that some think this game should be held elsewhere. Each has there own merits, but to those suggesting that they play at local amateur RL grounds - don't you suppose that they may well be hosting their own clubs' games today?

I don't care where they play the game; I'm going to go watch them anyway whether it be at Ovvy Park, Old Rishy's, or at the Crocs. Don't forget - it's a game of RL, bugger the politics. Leave that to those on high horses.

After all that - who won please?

Fax 26-40 Whitehaven

Its disappointing to read some threads on this forum, indeed I have several times made a promise to myself that I wont any use this forum any more after this thread I'm making the same promise to myself once again!

For circumstances beyond the Club's control we could not play at the Shay this weekend and didnt know until it Thursday evening. . The reasons are explained elsewhere on this forum

To move our game to another pitch required two things; availability and a pitch which satisfied the RFL ground assessments. There was NO amateur RL club which was available AND which satisfied the RFL criteria. .this is a SATURDAY we are talking about after all

The only ground which WAS available AND satisfied the RFL criteria was the Old Crossleyans RU.

Believe you me, I wanted the Under 23's first home game to be at the Shay. . . anywhere else was not our choice, but having said that, the facilities offered by the Old Crossleyans and the welcome we were given was first class.

It's disappointing that every decision we make is second guessed often on this forum by supporters who more often than not do not have the facts to make the statements they do!

Thats it I'm gone. . . .

Mike Riley

Some people need educating mike.
You shouldn't leave the forum.

better get on mike and say why some players were unavailable for trip to france.

Mike - it's a forum and as such you're going to get brain dead posts, opinionated posts and supportive posts. Some people have their own valid and strong opinions regarding Old Crocs but that doesn't mean to say it's a majority on here. Most people probably couldn't give a crap either way.

Whatever you read on here remember, it's just a forum.

As always Mike, a dignified & factual response. You & I both know we discussed this topic at the game briefly and I'm one of the ones who already knew the reasons as to why but still, I appreciate your using the messageboard to give the club's point of view. The key things have been covered, the RFL's minimum operational requirements have to be adhered to as I posted earlier in the discussion, why can't people see these facts ? With the licence announcements just around the corner, wouldn't it be foolish to ignore such matters...
Saturday afternoon was also mentioned right at the begiining of the discussion to assist the 'Haven club's travel arrangements, just a couple of facts that get in the way of the century old squabbling between the toffs & the scruffs of RL & RU.
I'm sure many other rugby league clubs don't have their senior figures having to defend the clubs' actions on internet forums, oh & by the way, get well soon mate nice to see you looking so chirpy.

dont get carried away and go off on a tangent by turning the hole debate into a RL v RU issue. the issue is that our professional rugby league team took a game of rugby league to a rugby union ground who have openly wronged local amateur rugby league and are anti rugby league.

whilst i personally dont like rugby union, i respect their game and certainly have a respect for how their governing body look after their own and support thier clubs far far more than rugby leagues governing body.

the point being, this rugby union club, brought a vote at a monthly managemnt meeting and pushed through the removal of KXP from the club "with immediate effect" citing the fact that their governng body would not give them grant money to carry out maintaiance at the club (some of which may i add we did free of charge for years as a gesture of good will)

the night after at a rugby union club dinner when the fall out of the previous nights decision starting hitting home with the rugby union members.......................senior rugby union members (committe members not dinosaurs propping up the bar) told other members that "KXP had left the club" and "we dont need rugby league here" and "we are a rugby union club, always have been always will be and dont need rugby league".................i personally received phone calls and text messages from people there asking what the hell was going on and why had we left..................

so, this is not a RU v RL rant..................this is simply an issue that we should not be supporting, and by supporting you are by taking a game to there ground and putting much needed funds over their bar, an anti rugby league club who by their actions have harmed the game of amateur rugby league in the town.............

That's exactly what you made this Paul, RU versus RL.
Some people within the KXP club had this happen to them at their previous abode at Vandals remember, so your bad is their double bad.
BTW, Savile park doesn't fit RFL matchday standards to play the game there otherwise I'm sure the Halifax club might have considered it. And, Just for anyone's interest, the supporters trust did a reccy mission earlier in the season I know for a fact they looked at both Siddal & Greetland's facilities to use for this purpose. The real issue here stands with the local council not allowing the Shay to be made available.
A little bit more fact always helps.

Build yourself a bridge and get over it, Whatever happened to king cross has got nothing to do with Fax RL, Coming on here and trying to get people not to go due to what happened to you is childish, People are able to come to their own conclusions and make a decision as to go and support their Club or not, I for one chose to go and took the family with me.
Well done to the boys who did well against a dirty Haven site, Hope the lad with Suspected Broken Jaw is ok.

he went straight to hospital had xray and was given the all clear as reguards to a broken jaw, he still as a lot of pain but thank god for the lad it aint broken

faxhali, old crocs throwing kxp out has nothing to do with halifax rlfc ? What about their responsibility to nurturing young talent in the area and promoting the sport, to say fax have an amazing community programme( which i am sure they do ) i think this a very poor approach to the situation.

I Dont mean to be rude here Mike but after last years Challenge cup exit and northern rail cup exit due to not knowing we need a draw and playing Ostick i think you should keep coming on here, not to explain yourselves no, but to see what the fans are feeling and thinking. Emotions run high yes but that said in between the rubbish there is lots of sense on here. Communication is key to keeping the fans happy.

I think it may be a safe bet to say that someone at the club reads this message board every day.

Nurturing young talent yes, Bringing the youth on yes, Fighting battles for every rugby club in calderdale, NO

What happened to KXP is unfortunate but it is for KXP to resolve, Not to protest about any RL club who has anything to do with the crocs.