so we played for the bonus point but who cares? the guys had a tough game monday nite, how are they meant to recover in 2 days.
we have won the league and have the home advantage to go straight to the grand final.

2 for a draw ?

Doesn't make sense mate. Just work it out as 2pts for a win and 1 for a draw!!



Some teams are in far the wrong place!!

Anyway, bonus points should reward attacking play, so 3 points for a win and a bonus point for scoring 4 tries or more. This gives teams who are 50 down an incentive to get over the whitewash!!

Maybe Barrow deserved to finish top despite the bonus point.
Minds need to be on our next game now. Toulouse..

The jurys still out on the bonus point here though.

but...
boohoo i dont wanna have to go to Barrow

we may end up playing them 5 times this year.

Does that meen we still finish 2nd ????

Without the bonus point it is 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw.

Therefore the table would look like this right now.

Barrow played 20 points 26
Halifax Played 19 points 24
Fev played 19 points 24
Whitehaven played 19 poins 24
Widnes played 20 points 22
Sheffield played 20 points 22


Thats the real league. As Barrow have a goal difference of 271 and ours is 222, we would have had to beat Toulouse by 50 points to claim top spot.

That means that it would still have been achievable. And look where Sheffield are now.

Scrap the bonus point NOW, it only rewards failure.

But the bonus point is there to be used . It's not the bonus point that is at fault it's our fault for being so POOR in defence that's why we are in 2nd place. Fact.

I do realise that the bonus point is there this season and the league table reflects this and teams play to it, you have only to see the negative play from Barrow last night, and that won them the top spot in the league.

I accept that it is totally our own fault that we are not top of the league we had chance after chance to wrap this league up, but the true fact is we absolutely blew it.

That said.

It shouldnt stop debate about why we have a stupid system that rewards failure. It hasnt happened, but a team could loose 10 nil and still get a point, that cannot be right.

The bonus point is ridiculous and we have had to endure it for too long now. If it was any good it would be used in Superleague, Australia, International and Barla. The truth is that it isnt, and it will never be, so why on earth should we have to enure it.

I don't like it either - if it was that good, why hasn't it been brought into Sooper Dooper League? Mind you, looking at the table without bonus points, it's just as well they're there, from Leigh's perspective! And I reckon, if we stay up, we owe Bob Beswick, big time - we've not signed him for next season, have we?!



Also, to be fair to Barrow, it's unacceptable that they had to play two crucial fixtures in less than four days! (another case of SKY dictating what goes on in our league!) If they'd concentrated on winning against Gateshead, that would have been better all round!!!

In that scenario it rewards a defensive team then.

Nah.

That would reward a team who could not get score a point.

i have just got the table of Championship website and removed all of the bps it says

Jeez - with arithmetic like that, Dons could've won it.



Whitehaven won 12, 33 points.



Sheffield won 11, 31 points.

One Sport, one set of rule. Either everyone get 3 for a win 2 for a draw and bonus points or everyong gets 2 for a win and 1 for a draw. How much longer are the RFL going to make this sport a laughing stock by having seperate rules for different teams (this include celtic as well).

Quote Jeez - with arithmetic like that, Dons could've won it. Shocked

Whitehaven won 12, 33 points. Rolling Eyes

Sheffield won 11, 31 points. Laughing'"

id been t the game had a few beers lol i dint even notice

win - 2pts, draw 1 pt, lose Diddlesquit

=blueBarrow - 13 wins, 7 loses = 26
Halifax - 12 wins, 7 loses = 24
fetherstone - 12 wins, 7 loses = 24
whitehaven - 12 wins, 7 loses = 24
widnes - 11 wins, 9 loses = 22
sheffield - 11 wins, 9 loses = 22
toulouse - 9 wins, 10 loses = 18
gateshead - 8 wins, 2 draws, 9 loses = 18
batley - 7 wins, 2 draws, 10 loses =16
leigh - 8 wins, 11 loses = 16
doncaster - 1 win, 18 loses, 9pt deduction = -7

Yer agree but without sounding 'sour' it is all down to your Chairman's cash at the end of the day, good luck to you but it proves money talks.
We aint finished yet, lets see how we go in the Play OIffs after tomorrow.

Yer agree but without sounding 'sour' it is all down to your Chairman's cash at the end of the day, good luck to you but it proves money talks.
We aint finished yet, lets see how we go in the Play OIffs after tomorrow.

If the bonus was such a success, SL would have implemented it this year.

How muchmoney do you think Des put's in ??? Not nearly as much as people think.

We've averaged 2,300 at home this season. At an average of £10 a head that's £23,000 x 12 games = £276,000. Add to that the shared gates (full house v Wigan, QF NR Cup, Semi NR Cup, Final NR Cup, playoffs to come) and gate receipts must top £400,000. Add to that all the bar and refreshment takings, merchandise, sponsorship and prize money and you're looking at £500,000+.

Our Goldrush Lottery brings in approx £300,000 a year (and rising). That makes it £800,000+.

Des does put money in, which just tops-up what he club earns in its' own right. The last time the business results were published, Des put in about £100,000. A lot of money, but a lot less than many chairman in the Championship (and Championship 1 for that matter).

Hardly Roman Abramovic !

Oh and I forgot to mention Craven Park. We own it (and of course we know its hardly Wembley, but WE OWN IT). I think the land was valued at approx £5M.

Des is the driving force, but the club is built on VERY firm foundations.

We are a well run club

You dont say, buys the players, pays the players, picks the players. Much more than a driving force.

I think you are deluding yourself mate, your lottery BRINGS IN £300K and that is all profit?????
Your gates are all pay???????
He puts in £100K?????

Pull the other one, I think you are Des himself you are so full of bullsh*t pal.

A tenner a head on average is very optimistic, imho. Kids, season tickets, VAT will all bring that down. And you may be double counting the sponsors' guests.

And obviously, that's only one side of the coin. We never know exactly what's being paid out in wages.

Are you allowed out unaccompanied

IF.....Barrow had to win last night they would have, so pts difference would be irrelevent

Yes, according to the clubs' recent marketing campaign and press releases. There is a big push on to get it up to the £500K mark.



Of course not, but what has that got to do with it? Adults (the vast majority) - £13/£14, Seniors - £9, Children - £5. The season tickets worked out at £11 a match. I think £10 average is a reasonable assumption.



As I said in my original post, that was the only figure available from the clubs most recent P&L accounts.


Des may well put more in, but my original post was meant to show that the club is financially sound without his cash. Far sounder than most (if not all) clubs in the Championship. Barrow is a club owned by Debenture Holders which are similar to shares, who can attend the AGM and have a say on goings-on at the club.


If we DID 'buy' the league, the vast majority of the money used was generated by Barrow RL. That's the whole point of a professional club isn't it ??


But, never mind the facts. The fantasy is far more appealing isn't it