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| Quote ="pinballwizzard"I think some fans are deluded about how big a club we are. We have been in the 2nd tier for 11 seasons and got nowhere near SL, we are pulling in less than 1500 fans (whilst doing as the fans wished, and not using DR) and don't have the financial clout to compete with 4 clubs in our division, let alone the 4 we would play against should we make the Mid-8.
Perhaps the club deciding to take us in to a DR agreement is more of a reality check of our circumstances, than a case of ignoring the fans.
If it worked out, and brought us success, would the fans whinge as much, supporting a winning team with DR players. Would they balls. We crave success. I don't see much difference in signing championship journeymen for a season and playing players we don't own. Our own player development path has hardly been a roaring success!'"
I agree. I dont think Fax have had any choice but to 'play the game' to try and have a chance of getting back into SL. Its not fair to blame the BOD for having to take part in the mess which has been created by years of mishandling of the game by the powers that be.
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| It seems there is more involved in this link up other than players, including the commercial side of things with a lot of behind the scenes discussions having taken place.
It will all depend on the terms and conditions and you can bet that these will be the right ones for Fax otherwise we would not be involved.
DR is here not by our choice and will be used against us by our rivals, if we can make a deal that benefits us why not do so.
What we do know from the past few years is having no overseas players and by avoiding the DR route we have not been able to make any progress and it will be harder to do so from now on, we either make a well thought out move now or get left further behind.
Someone has to make the difficult decisions and the BOD have done, now it’s down to us to decide to back them or not.
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| As Bubba suggests above, this is what happens when one division is heavily loaded in favour of four teams.
The danger now is that we see the same four teams in the top four year in year out because of the financial advantage they enjoy. We are up against three full time squads next year and probably a fourth the year after when Fev finish top 4 again.
If the board don't find a way to bridge the gap then we face being a lower championship team whose most realistic route out of the division will be through relegation.
The new structure is a disaster for all the clubs outside the well funded sixteen clubs.
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| Quote ="Faxlore"The BoD have not sold out and the crowds won't go below 1000. Why? Because the real fans will support the BOD decision. May not agree fully but we have taken note from the clubs who used it badly and I think it will work for a us. We are working with Chris Chester, a man whohas Fax close to his heart.
If you want to stay away do so, your the ones damaging the club but don't keep coming on here say how sh#t in is or commenting on next season when you haven't seen fax play. The has to do things to try move fax forward and few things may upset some folk. Don't be a keyboard warrior sitting there spurting c##p. Support the club not your inflated options'"
By your logic we should have merged with Bradford when super league was founded. Progress at all costs eh, smart thinking.
As a 'real fan' of 40 years I'm entitled to my opinion. Supporting one club for that long also gives you a grounding in good and bad decisions at the club and there have been many. Even though I now live overseas I still spend a significant chunk of my hard earned on merch and attend games every time I'm back home. That alone gives this 'keyboard warrior' the right to express my opinion so if you don't like it then use your rose tinted specs to read comments you like.
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| Well I guess only time will tell on this decision. Not something I wanted to happen at all but hopefully it will work in our favour.
Bring it on!
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| On the other hand, arid hard has inherited a squad he didn't recruit and there's no cash to do anything about it....
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| This is my main issue. Im not a fan of DR anyway, but had it have been a team like Leeds, I imagine some of their non-first teamers would contribute well at this level. Hull KR are not significantly better than us or anyone in this division, it suits them far more than us. A sad day for the club, and for the league.
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| I really don't know what to make of this, looking at HKR's squad numbers I can't see which players we would want.
1. Kieran Dixon
2. Ben Cockayne
3. Darrell Goulding
4. Josh Mantellato
5. Ken Sio
6. Maurice Blair
7. Albert Kelly
8. Adam Walker
9. Keal Carlile
10. Michael Weyman
11. Kevin Larroyer
12. Graeme Horne
13. Tyrone McCarthy
14. Mitchell Allgood
15. James Donaldson
16. Ryan Bailey
17. Greg Burke
18. Liam Salter
19. Kris Welham
20. James Green
21. Aaron Ollett
22. Jordan Cox
23. Terry Campese
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25. Macauley Hallett
26. Sonny Esslemont
27. Josh Guzdek
28. Connor Robinson
29. Matthew Marsh
30. Steven Holker
From Hull's point of view in a ideal world which was injury free, no 1-17 would be off limits, and apart from Salter, Welham, Cox & Campese who will be in the side at different times of the season, who else get in our side? unless I'm missing something I've never heard of anyone else & most of them haven't even made there debut's for HKR yet and it's not as if they've had a brilliant academy team lately either.
Got a feeling HKR will struggle this season too - with a paper thin squad, theoretically could they borrow players of us? I don't know anything about DR.
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| Quote ="Greetland8"
From Hull's point of view in a ideal world which was injury free, no 1-17 would be off limits.....'"
Hold on - didn't this thread start with Fax being able to pick who they wanted, not what Rovers wanted to send ?
Or was that just so much spin ? ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote ="griff1998"Hold on - didn't this thread start with Fax being able to pick who they wanted, not what Rovers wanted to send ?
Or was that just so much spin ?
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Your not telling me, if Halifax want Micheal Weyman or Ryan Bailey, we can have them before Hull KR.
I think we decide who we get of who's left.
My point been, what's left.... is left for a reason.
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| Quote ="Fax Missionary"By your logic we should have merged with Bradford when super league was founded. Progress at all costs eh, smart thinking.
As a 'real fan' of 40 years I'm entitled to my opinion. Supporting one club for that long also gives you a grounding in good and bad decisions at the club and there have been many. Even though I now live overseas I still spend a significant chunk of my hard earned on merch and attend games every time I'm back home. That alone gives this 'keyboard warrior' the right to express my opinion so if you don't like it then use your rose tinted specs to read comments you like.'"
I have never said success at any cost so please don't put words into my posts! And to say with Bradford! Wash your mouth out. The club needs to process and Fax, KR and Gateshead have enters into a business agreement that most of have no knowledge of the ins and outs. Speaking of which how do Gateshead feel ? I'm sure they are happy about the prospect for of having played from big clubs like Fax and KR. Yes you have an opinion but I think right now some people are sounding off with an old moral stance from last seasons DR mess without stepping back looking at what our BOD have done. Well done by the way for supporting Fax for so long. So have I, even when I served overseas I never let my passion dwindle for the Fax
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| Quote ="Greetland8"Your not telling me, if Halifax want Micheal Weyman or Ryan Bailey, we can have them before Hull KR.
I think we decide who we get of who's left.
My point been, what's left.... is left for a reason.'"
I do think that this is better for us than them just sending who they want, but I do agree with you.
If the club needs to take this route then so be it, for me the issue is that we've not done it with a good enough club!
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| Your fans were a disgrace with the abuse you gave swinton fans last year about dual reg.
Nice to read the highly original "our agreement is different " line
You've done it now . Ha ha. Egg on faces . Enjoy
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| Quote ="Greetland8"I really don't know what to make of this, looking at HKR's squad numbers I can't see which players we would want.
1. Kieran Dixon
2. Ben Cockayne
3. Darrell Goulding
4. Josh Mantellato
5. Ken Sio
6. Maurice Blair
7. Albert Kelly
8. Adam Walker
9. Keal Carlile
10. Michael Weyman
11. Kevin Larroyer
12. Graeme Horne
13. Tyrone McCarthy
14. Mitchell Allgood
15. James Donaldson
16. Ryan Bailey
17. Greg Burke
18. Liam Salter
19. Kris Welham
20. James Green
21. Aaron Ollett
22. Jordan Cox
23. Terry Campese
24. John Boudebza
25. Macauley Hallett
26. Sonny Esslemont
27. Josh Guzdek
28. Connor Robinson
29. Matthew Marsh
30. Steven Holker
From Hull's point of view in a ideal world which was injury free, no 1-17 would be off limits, and apart from Salter, Welham, Cox & Campese who will be in the side at different times of the season, who else get in our side? unless I'm missing something I've never heard of anyone else & most of them haven't even made there debut's for HKR yet and it's not as if they've had a brilliant academy team lately either.
Got a feeling HKR will struggle this season too - with a paper thin squad, theoretically could they borrow players of us? I don't know anything about DR.'"
Apart from the 13 new signings who haven’t made their debut?
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| Quote ="mark richardson"Your fans were a disgrace with the abuse you gave swinton fans last year about dual reg.
Nice to read the highly original "our agreement is different " line
You've done it now . Ha ha. Egg on faces . Enjoy'"
I didn't know Swinton had any fans? Hello lonesome.
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| Maybe another reason we are going down this route is that the current coach hasn’t had much choice in the make up of the squad or our new signings and there won’t be the cash left to make any of his own. Therefore, he may believe we might not be strong enough and this could be the only way of having sufficient cover.
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| I believe Chris Chester is still a season ticket holder at your club. I'm sure he has your interests at heart. What he, Richard Marshall and Stanley Gene do will hopefully benefit all three clubs. Chris knows them both well having played at Halifax with Richard and spent many years with Stanley at KR.
Some on here, although I have never visited before, seem to have delusions of grandeur. A touch of realism is required. Non of our three clubs tore up any trees last year. Bearing in mind where your club is at the present time the dismissive attitude in some quarters towards our players seems to say more about the contributors than it does about player quality. Leeds or Wigan would be more acceptable to some I am sure but then would those clubs want to be associated with Halifax. We all find our own level, maybe Halifax have found theirs.
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| Isn't this partnership more about off field strategies? We don't have to take any players of HKR unless we want to and they're available, exactly the same situation we are in with any other club. If we took a player from Leeds for example, we loan him, if we take one from HKR he's on Dual Reg. Same principle different terminology.
All we seem to be doing is linking up with a club who has managed to establish itself as a SL club to try and tap into the strategies to see if they can help us do the same. Why have we chose HKR, well why not, they have Chris Chester in charge, who knows our club, and they have Willie Poaching who knows our coach.
The club needs something like this to compete, but if your against it and believe it's a good reason to stop attending games then that is your right, but should this work and HRLFC gain promotion to SL, I would hope you could swallow your pride and start re-attending games again, because regardless of who the club is in partnership with, it will always need loyal, supportive fans, paying at the turn styles.
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| Bit of a shame really. I always thought Halifax were a big enough club to stand on their/our own. I don't like DR as it is and saying this agreement is better because we get to select players from a different team to play in ours doesn't really make me warm to the idea. I'm sure I read recently that Halifax aren't running an under 20's next year, if that is correct then what message does that send out to local teams that Halifax as a professional club would rather develop other clubs' younger talent from miles away than our own local talent?
I was feeling pretty excited for next season with a very promising coach and an influx of new players, all capped off with a traditional jersey. What gives Hull KR players the right to wear our traditional colours just to benefit themselves and their own club? Perhaps I'm being over dramatic and maybe even missing a point or two, but I feel a tad let down by all this.
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| Quote ="Blue Sock"Bit of a shame really. I always thought Halifax were a big enough club to stand on their/our own. I don't like DR as it is and saying this agreement is better because we get to select players from a different team to play in ours doesn't really make me warm to the idea. I'm sure I read recently that Halifax aren't running an under 20's next year, if that is correct then what message does that send out to local teams that Halifax as a professional club would rather develop other clubs' younger talent from miles away than our own local talent?
I was feeling pretty excited for next season with a very promising coach and an influx of new players, all capped off with a traditional jersey. What gives Hull KR players the right to wear our traditional colours just to benefit themselves and their own club? Perhaps I'm being over dramatic and maybe even missing a point or two, but I feel a tad let down by all this.'"
They get the right to wear the colours if they are picked by your coach to play in your team. They will only be picked if your coach believes the player is better than what is available in your own squad. Yes this benefits the player and so also benefits Rovers. If he is better than what you have surely that also benefits your team. Taking someone on loan from another club has the same immediate benefit. The tie-up between the three clubs goes beyond this however and the off-field liaison hopefully will have long term benefits for all.
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| Quote ="Greetland8"Your not telling me, if Halifax want Micheal Weyman or Ryan Bailey, we can have them before Hull KR.
I think we decide who we get of who's left.
My point been, what's left.... is left for a reason.'"
Well, I thought that, but see post 1 of the thread.
Admittedly posted by dazednconfused. ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Do we get use of Scott Murrell as & when required?
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| You must be in some real sheeite to do this, your gaffer was so anti DR a position I applauded him for a couple of years ago
Marshall came through wires coaching ranks who have abused DR for a few years so it is probably no big deal for him but as a fan I know how it felt when we had it, so here's some advice
Bend low bite hard and try not to cry between thrusts
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| When DR first came out I was dead against it, thin end of the edge and all that. Since then I think a lot of clubs have learnt the hard way regarding DR and maybe some lessons have been learned.
Just over 3 months ago this club was a rudderless shell and maybe today's decision is the consequence of last seasons debacle. I have nothing but praise for the BOD and the club in how they have gone about their business since then and today's decision has been made with the head and not the hart.
Richards inherited a team that whilst fills me with confidence is still a bit raw and thin in places. Why would you want to Richard to work with one hand tied behind his back should things not go to plan in terms of injuries etc. This club needs to squeeze every last drop out of every opportunity if we're going to make that top 4 and give full time squads a bloodied nose, hopefully we've dropped the stubbornness of the last 3 years.
The BODs actions in the last 3 months and willingness to reach out to the fans in my opinion entitles them to be cut them some slack on this one and let's see how it goes.
I have total faith in Richard who will do whatever it takes to get us where we want to be. He will do what's best for Halifax RLFC which 3 months ago was looking down the barrel. Added to that HKRs coach is a good friend of the club as well.
Up the Fax
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| Bend low bite hard and try not to cry between thrusts'"
Sounds painful our Maurice, does Mrs Maurice let you have your turn?
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